Will Brexit really be good for Britain?

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I think their rules are more rational than your negative re-framing of reality....'smash the Greek people'........give us a break mate!

I believe the EU is the biggest economic power house on the planet : it comprises over 500 million people.
I believe they/we are capable of improving the lot of the Greek people but choose not to do so for purely POLITICAL reasons.
What's your explanation?: maybe you might consider giving the people of Greece a break.

But I probably shouldn't have said 'smash' , perhap crucify or sacrifice would be more appropriate.

CLAPTON

Doshwaster wrote: »

So what should the EU, IMF etc have done with Greece?
a) Let them go bankrupt
b) Bail them out without any conditions and allow them to carry on as before
c) Bail them out but require them to run their economy sensibly

If you really believe in national sovereignty and a free market then your answer should be a). it was their fault so let them suffer. Answer b) doesn't help them or us as it's the equivalent of keep giving money to alcoholic or gambling addict.

In reality, c) was the only realistic option. Greece was bailed out but the international community required them to get a grip on their economy.

That's not to say the EU and banks were blameless. They allowed Greece to join before they were ready and lent them far too much money at low interest rates.

The euro needs reforming
either Germany and other successful countries should leave the euro or Greece should leave: greece needs a lower currency.
Greece needs debt relief (i.e. part of their debts should be written off i.e. what the IMF was normally used to do
and of course greece need to reform their tax and spend policies.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

The euro needs reforming

What's your plan for bringing about the reform you think it needs? Run away and hope someone else will fix it?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

What's your plan for bringing about the reform you think it needs? Run away and hope someone else will fix it?

after 40 years I am unconvinced that staying will lead to reform

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein quotes from BrainyQuote.com.

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Doshwaster wrote: »

a) Let them go bankrupt

They are bankrupt, and have been for quite a while.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

after 40 years I am unconvinced that staying will lead to reform

Did you try?

Do you think leaving will help reform?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Did you try?

Do you think leaving will help reform?

I've just emailed Merkel and told her to leave the euro immediately : if that works, I'll then tell her to write off a large portion of greek debt;
if however if she doesn't leave the euro immediately I will pass the baton to you: keep me informed of your progress

CKhalvashi

As we were talking about the single market earlier

Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market - Daniel Hannan MEP

Only a madman would actually leave the market - Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing - Nigel Farage

The Norwegian option, the EEA option, I think that it might be initally attractive for some business people Matthew Elliot, Vote Leave chief executive

Increasingly, the Norway option looks the best for the UK Arron Banks, Leave.EU founder

Vote Leave/Leave.eu won, Vote Leave and Leave.eu wanted single market access, so single market access is what should be fought for in the negotiations.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

Vote Leave/Leave.eu won, Vote Leave and Leave.eu wanted single market access, so single market access is what should be fought for in the negotiations.

At what price though?

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

At what price though?

This is what they wanted, so however much it is will have to be paid for.

Is (based on the lies on the bus) £280 per person per year too much? I don't think so.

We'd probably pay less than that for straightforward single market access, and the above figure is a highly inflated one, before any form of rebates to farmers/the leave voting Wales and Cornwall.

£125-130 per person per year, with the government making up the shortfall these regions sounds about right to me as a membership fee, which funnily enough is about what we pay now.