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Bogof_Babe

http://www.rla.org.uk/landlord/guides/housing_act/docs/all/minimum_national_amenity_standards_for_licensable_hmos.shtml

I'm actually shocked! :eek:

Four letting rooms could result in eight adults and/or children trying to share one bathroom and toilet.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if the toilet was separate. Is there any way the bathroom could be divided to create this?

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vera163 wrote:

please explain why i would need planning permission here? i am not planning to do anything with the property other than do it up (no structural changes/knocking down walls etc) complying with relevant regs etc ofc.

Change of use.

https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/9/change_of_use

SuzieSue

Mind you, we are all assuming that the tenants would be working. They might be unemployed in which case it would not be as inconvenient.

dekaspace

elsien wrote: »

And we are living in the first world. So what happens in the third world isn't particularly relevant.

I was thinking as much of washing facilities as the toilets.
If I'm to be at work on time then I don't want to have to either get up at silly o'clock or wait in a queue behind three other people.

And I was talking about the majority of people posting as if 1 toilet was somehow not good enough.

Though I would say that even if we are in the first world then people have too much expectation these days as where would it end? As people often talk about here if they want better facilities then pay the extra for it rather than just expecting them.

Outside of first thing in morning then theres going to be little times when people need to use bathroom at same moments.

Bogof_Babe

vera163 wrote: »

i told the housing people i was thinking of removing the basins and he didn't mention anything of it. just that if more than 4 people were living here as tenants then 2 toilets would be required. that is all.

i have repeatedly said that it is not practically possible to convert/fit another toilet/bathroom (as advised by private sector officer and tradesman), yet people just keep telling me how crap it would be without an extra toilet/bathroom. christ. what would you have me do then? abandon this property altogether?

It depends who you are thinking of letting to. If it's a group of blokes, with manual labouring jobs (so they don't need to present themselves smartly for work), who are happy with a five minute shower when they get in from work, and don't drink several pints a night resulting in frequent needs to relieve themselves, then you might get away with it.

If it is young female office workers it would be extremely impractical, and I for one wouldn't even consider taking a room in that sort of set-up.

If you retain the basins you will find the rooms easier to let.

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vera163 wrote:

change of use isn't an issue when i spoke to planning department very early on

So what's the house been used for before your plans to convert to a HMO.
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For reference

http://www.landlordzone.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?76509-Retain-washbasin-sink-in-each-bedroom-or-not-For-HMO

dekaspace

SuzieSue wrote: »

That would be fine if people didn't bathe every day. If they do then 4 people sharing one bathroom with no separate toilet is very inconvenient unless some people are prepared to get up very early or some people bathe in the evening.

That is what I did when I was in halls - I got up before everyone else so that I could use the shower first.

I lived in halls too as well as other student accomodation and yes it was very awkward but the rest of the times was never a problem, I remember one time (though the flatmate was a user who begged for loans and never paid his share of bills) getting into bathroom and barely having time to disrobe and get into shower and he was hammering on door complaining about how I have been in there a long time, I finished off (or half done I should say) let him into shower whilst he spend a HOUR in there. We did have downstairs toilet though.

Point is a extra toilet is just a bonus as people are impatient these days, a seperate toilet and shower is ideal though rather than 2nd one.

Bogof_Babe

Perhaps provide a commode in each room, for emergencies? :rotfl:

fierystormcloud

I wouldn't want to share a bathroom with strangers, and wouldn't do it for all the tea in China. I'm not a princess or a diva, but if I was looking for accommodation, an ensuite would be very important to me. 4 adult strangers sharing a bathroom doesn't sound great IMO.

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vera163 wrote:

thanks for taking the time for linking to other post. house is in the correct use fyi.

So what's the house been used for before your plans to convert to a HMO.
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