Britain can be better off outside Europe

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Seems to me what they're getting at is that the EU whilst it might be free trade, it's very far removed from fair trade.

When the UK departs the EU and we find, to nobody's surprise, the trade we conduct with Africa looks remarkably like the trade we conduct as part of the EU I look forward to them calling the UK policies racist.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

Ignoring the usual factual untruths, it's just a (happy) co-incidence that you love the EU composed of white, christian countries and are happy to discriminate in trade against black african ones.
But then you don't actually believe that trade has mutual benefits to both partners.

Your obsession with people's religion and colour does you no service.

CLAPTON

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Seems to me what they're getting at is that the EU whilst it might be free trade, it's very far removed from fair trade.

Economic migration is exacerbated by protectionist policies stopping people from earning a living purely because of where they are born (i.e. not in the EU). Which is by design, the EU is for citizens, and by proxy business, of the EU and no one else.

The fairtrade foundation has seemingly done more to address this than the EU.

well no

The EU is NOT a free trade organisation.

Within the EU there are SOME goods and services for which one could reasonably say lack both tariffs and non tariff barriers; equally there are many that have restrictions and arbitary rules that impede free trade).
However for trade outside the EU it is very definitely NOT a free trade area.

There are MAJOR differences of opinion between the small number of us that believe trade and particularly 'free' trade (i.e. without tariffs or restrictive regulations) is beneficial for both parties and those that believe that trade is NOT mutually beneficial.
The EU DOESNOT believe that free trade is mutually beneficial or if it does it believes that POLITICAL issues are more important (e.g. French and German farmers).

So the EU has imposed tariff barriers against agricultural products for over 40 years (although recently have scaled these back) to appease EU farmers.
As many poorer countries e.g. those of black Africa only really have agricultural products to trade, this has had a massive negative impact on these countries. Many people believe that these countries would have been far more stable if there had been wealthier.
Irrespective of the moral wrongs and rights, the restrictions on trade does economic harm both to the people for the EU (higher prices) and the producing countries (lower income).

Fairtrade is a middle class fraud on the poor people of under developed countries but that's another story.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

When the UK departs the EU and we find, to nobody's surprise, the trade we conduct with Africa looks remarkably like the trade we conduct as part of the EU I look forward to them calling the UK policies racist.

Some of it may be, I couldn't possibly tell the future.

But I would imagine that we would procure products from Africa for example that we were not whilst in the EU at the going rate because no tariff is being imposed and its now cheaper to do so, which it always has been bar the EU artificially inflating the price of the African products so they become noncompetitive against EU products.

TrickyTree83

CLAPTON wrote: »

well no

The EU is NOT a free trade organisation.

Within the EU there are SOME goods and services for which one could reasonably say lack both tariffs and non tariff barriers; equally there are many that have restrictions and arbitary rules that impede free trade).
However for trade outside the EU it is very definitely NOT a free trade area.

There are MAJOR differences of opinion between the small number of us that believe trade and particularly 'free' trade (i.e. without tariffs or restrictive regulations) is beneficial for both parties and those that believe that trade is NOT mutually beneficial.
The EU DOESNOT believe that free trade is mutually beneficial or if it does it believes that POLITICAL issues are more important (e.g. French and German farmers).

So the EU has imposed tariff barriers against agricultural products for over 40 years (although recently have scaled these back) to appease EU farmers.
As many poorer countries e.g. those of black Africa only really have agricultural products to trade, this has had a massive negative impact on these countries. Many people believe that these countries would have been far more stable if there had been wealthier.
Irrespective of the moral wrongs and rights, the restrictions on trade does economic harm both to the people for the EU (higher prices) and the producing countries (lower income).

Fairtrade is a middle class fraud on the poor people of under developed countries but that's another story.

I was only referring to the free trade area within the single market. I wouldn't agree that all regulation should be cast asunder either otherwise my kids might end up playing with toys coated in cyanide and I'd be none-the-wiser. I don't agree with that.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

Your obsession with people's religion and colour does you no service.

I fully understand why you would prefer people to ignore your support racist discriminateory policies which hurt both the people of the EU and the people of the poorer developing countries.

But one notes you don't agree that trade helps both partners in the exchange, so I guess you could use your economic illiteracy as an mitigating circumstance.

Mortgagefreeman

mayonnaise wrote: »

Why is an appreciating pound great news?
For the last couple of months, I keep hearing from our brexiteer headbangers how wonderful a weak pound is.

So you've lost the arguement, thanks!

The problem with you, HAMISH, and others, is you thought the sky would fall in the day after the vote, and it didn't.

You really ought to change your sig. They'll be nothing to blame you for and maybe you'll come to your senses as things continue to get better? All thanks to us leaving the EU.:j

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

I think the suggestion was that in the real world people deal with friends and neighbours and prefer to do so for a number of reasons. Only you, and Clapton, find great significance in the colour and religion of those friends and neighbours.

Yes I do use that logic when going to a shop, a doctor, hiring a taxi or employing someone. The colour and religion of the people is irrelevant but it's somewhat inconvenient to pop to the shops in Ghana, visit a doctor in Lagos, call a taxi from Zanzibar or expect someone living to Mogadishu to commute to the midlands.

I'm not sure what the relevance of any foreign countries are to my question. I certainly didn't mention them. I also didn't raise the subject in the first place, simply asked a very straightforward question in response to a different poster.

Interesting that you felt the need to jump in and start throwing around accusations though. Almost as though you're so angry at Clapton for having the audacity to challenge your sunshine and roses view that anyone else who gets in the way also gets to feel your uncontrollable rage.
You should probably go see a doctor. Obviously though, as you've confirmed above it would have to be a white one as that's who you're comfortable dealing with.

mayonnaise

request_made_to_change_username wrote: »

You really ought to change your sig. They'll be nothing to blame you for and maybe you'll come to your senses as things continue to get better? All thanks to us leaving the EU.:j

My sig stays.
For starters, don't blame me for any of this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

My sig stays.
For starters, don't blame me for any of this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/eu-referendum-racism_uk_576fe161e4b08d2c56396075

Well "for starters" you might just want to check the date on articles you are choosing, seemingly out of sheer desperation.:p
"updated 29th June 2016".
:rotfl: