Britain can be better off outside Europe

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Kohoutek wrote: »

Even by the low standards of the Brexiteers here, that's quite an absurd claim. You've been to all 27 and verified this, I presume?

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You really think anyone needs to visit all these countries to discover the cultural and/or socio-economic differences ........... then describe the poster as "absurd"?
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You believe that these cultures are the same in (just as a few examples) Estonia; Romania; Slovakia or Bulgaria as in the UK?
That's just cultural differences .............. and if you look at some of the countries "On the road to EU Membership" (as the EU itself calls it) like Albania, Macedonia and Turkey - well seriously.
To claim that we are similar culturally, socially or economically is (to use your wording) "absurd".

Kohoutek

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I've actually been around quite a few places in Eastern Europe, my wife is from Ukraine, and we've friends from:

Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Bulgaria
Poland
Slovakia
Belarus
Ukraine

All because of the circles we move in.

Their perception of race, !!!!!exuality, corruption, religion, etc.. is very different. Perhaps my observations are not so bold, perhaps you're naive to the differences?

Oh dear, straw man argument as usual from the Brexidiots. You've conspicuously omitted the countries that are like the UK and added countries than are not even in the EU (Belarus and Ukraine). Do you at least accept that the Netherlands for example is like the UK?

Have you also considered that even Poland is more like the UK than many other countries around the world - choosing a few at random - Saudi Arabia, Panama, Vietnam, Eritrea.

TrickyTree83

Don't get me wrong. I love the people from those countries. Some of our best friends are from these countries, we also have friends from Uzbekistan and Russia. Quite an eclectic group.

I'm not putting them down or trying to say we in the UK are better than them either, but there are differences, some of them vast. Economically for certain. For example when we visit these places they are so welcoming but have very little themselves. The EU hasn't helped them, some of them despite being able to come to this country are openly against the EU. Some of them who naturalised voted to leave the EU in our recent referendum.

When the governments of these countries (and the other 'Western' nations) are out to protect their own, and it's at our expense, I'm not ok with that. So the only way to stop it is to leave the political union.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Some of them who naturalised voted to leave the EU in our recent referendum.

Presumably they'll be going back to the country they migrated from in that case? I'm an immigrant, I find it the height of selfishness to vote to pull up the drawbridge behind you.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

Presumably they'll be going back to the country they migrated from in that case? I'm an immigrant, I find it the height of selfishness to vote to pull up the drawbridge behind you.

Why should they? They are citizens of the UK now.

I don't know the specific reasons why they voted to leave the EU, I wouldn't have thought they felt they were pulling up a drawbridge though. And in any case that's not what is happening. If anything it's turning an open drawbridge into a gatehouse where a certain number per year will be allowed and only those who will benefit the UK economy.

But shocking as it may be for you some people in EU countries, not from the UK, don't like the EU either. It's got nothing to do with being an immigrant, they have their own opinions and beliefs on the continent, and some of them hate it too. It wouldn't surprise me to see anti-EU parties gaining power across the continent in the coming years such is the mess they've created.