Britain can be better off outside Europe

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Can we make some sense of this please?

You have a habit of turning things into arguments like this. I think you just need to read again what I actually said.

And while you're at it, stop being so negative about the EU. Try being positive about the things we've achieved while part of the EU.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

You have a habit of turning things into arguments like this. I think you just need to read again what I actually said.

And while you're at it, stop being so negative about the EU. Try being positive about the things we've achieved while part of the EU.

Explain this then.

Do you think that is superior genetics or do you think our training and sports programmes have something to do with it? Those cost money. A lot of money. That comes from our people ultimately and that comes from our economic prosperity. And we achieved this while being in the EU. We "came second" in the Olympics while being part of the EU! Just think of that achievement. I reckon the EU has been incredibly good for Britain. I don't know why you are so negative about it. Try being more positive.

I've been trying to explain that the EU has nothing to do with Rio.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I've been trying to explain that the EU has nothing to do with Rio.

It doesn't? I'm surprised that you are allowed to make that subjective statement but you won't allow me to make the two objective statements that we rely on economic success to fund our sports programmes and thankfully we've been economically successful while inside the EU.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

And while you're at it, stop being so negative about the EU. Try being positive about the things we've achieved while part of the EU.

That discussion has been had. We're leaving it.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

It doesn't? I'm surprised that you are allowed to make that subjective statement but you won't allow me to make the two objective statements that we rely on economic success to fund our sports programmes and thankfully we've been economically successful while inside the EU.

If you can conclusively prove to me and others that we would not have enjoyed the same success in the Olympics in Rio in 2016 had we not been in the EU, I'll agree with you.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If you can conclusively prove to me and others that we would not have enjoyed the same success in the Olympics in Rio in 2016 had we not been in the EU, I'll agree with you.

You see, you're doing it again. Of course I can't re-run history to prove it to you, only a dimwit would think that.

I can however make the positive statements that economic success has helped fund our sports programmes and we've been economically successful while part of the EU.

It isn't me speculating, it is you who is speculating that we would do better outside the EU. I am only saying what I actually observe in reality.

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

mwpt wrote: »

I can however make the positive statements that economic success has helped fund our sports programmes and we've been economically successful while part of the EU.

But that's not true. In this case it was down to people playing scratchcards that funded Team GB. Do you think that economic success lead to people running down their mini Tesco to play scratchcards? No, I would say that the more impoverished that people become then the more likely they are to throw their money away in the hope of gambling their way out of their wretched existence. Do we have the EU to thank for that? No.

mwpt

Ronaldo_Mconaldo wrote: »

But that's not true. In this case it was down to people playing scratchcards that funded Team GB. Do you think that economic success lead to people running down their mini Tesco to play scratchcards? No, I would say that the more impoverished that people become then the more likely they are to throw their money away in the hope of gambling their way out of their wretched existence. Do we have the EU to thank for that? No.

I don't think I agree with this but are you saying that Britain used money off the back of impoverished people living a wretched existence, to fund sports programmes and "come second" at the Olympics?

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

You see, you're doing it again. Of course I can't re-run history to prove it to you, only a dimwit would think that.

I can however make the positive statements that economic success has helped fund our sports programmes and we've been economically successful while part of the EU.

It isn't me speculating, it is you who is speculating that we would do better outside the EU. I am only saying what I actually observe in reality.

You are speculating by attempting to link the EU with our sporting achievement, when comparable countries within the EU enjoying similar economic prosperity over the 40 year period did not have the same success at the Olympics.

Germany for example, they ought to have done just as well if being in the EU, with economic prosperity, has a direct link to sporting achievement. They came 5th, France came 7th, some distance off 2nd.

Can we just agree that it was a crap attempt to link something positive in the UK with the EU and move on?

Ronaldo_Mconaldo

mwpt wrote: »

I don't think I agree with this but are you saying that Britain used money off the back of impoverished people living a wretched existence, to fund sports programmes and "come second" at the Olympics?

Have you been living under a rock? Team GB received the majority of their funding from the Lottery, it's been mentioned on the news loads of times over the last month or so.