Britain can be better off outside Europe

mufi

mrginge wrote: »

This is good information. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

Any chance of translating it, please?:D

Thrugelmir

DonaldLMcVay wrote: »

To be honest britain cannot survive oputside EU bcos it may lose 3 million jobs (though some claim they are a myth)

Which sectors of the economy are likely to be affected?

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Which sectors of the economy are likely to be affected?

Patrick Minford was arguing a few months ago that leaving would reduce the size of the UK manufacturing sector. It may just be a case of whether the new jobs created by Brexit will make up for them.

mwpt

buglawton wrote: »

You are right. But 52% of voters decided that the EU mandarins are newly in the process of driving the EU with us included off an economic and social cliff. So we decided to stop the bus and get off pronto.

I know we voted for brexit, but I don't think you quite have the reasons correct. It was about immigration.

TrickyTree83

BobQ wrote: »

Patrick Minford was arguing a few months ago that leaving would reduce the size of the UK manufacturing sector. It may just be a case of whether the new jobs created by Brexit will make up for them.

In a completely tariff free UK.

If that comes to pass I'll be surprised.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

I know we voted for brexit, but I don't think you quite have the reasons correct. It was about immigration.

What was your overriding reason for voting to remain?

Are we believe that whatever this reason is, it is the only reason for voting to remain?

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What was your overriding reason for voting to remain?

I've actually posted that a number of times. I don't quite feel like typing them out again just at the moment but perhaps dig around using search and you may find something.

If I could summarise it: No one presented any reasonable case that made sense to me on what we hoped to gain by leaving. Nothing that has been posted about how the EU is so bad, actually seemed bad to me. So, from my view, we potentially lose a fair bit that may directly impact my industry, and we lose the ability to live and work across a beautiful continent. And I couldn't figure out what we were hoping to gain to make up for that.

Are we believe that whatever this reason is, it is the only reason for voting to remain?

No. I can rephrase my comment if you like. Sometime clarity is important. It was mostly about immigration. Better? Of course, I now expect you will ask me how I know what it was mostly about. So lets save some going back and forth. I judge by the comments here and on what I read elsewhere and form a subjective opinion. If it wasn't mostly about immigration, then please ask your fellow leave voters if they would be happy to continue to accept freedom of movement as long as they got whatever else it is they wanted out of brexit. Because that is the brexit model I'm hoping for. Retain access to single market and financial passporting via entry into the EFTA (or ECC or whatever), retain freedom of movement, and the rest such as EU laws and monetary contributions I don't have strong preference either way.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

I've actually posted that a number of times. I don't quite feel like typing them out again just at the moment but perhaps dig around using search and you may find something.

If I could summarise it: No one presented any reasonable case that made sense to me on what we hoped to gain by leaving. Nothing that has been posted about how the EU is so bad, actually seemed bad to me. So, from my view, we potentially lose a fair bit that may directly impact my industry, and we lose the ability to live and work across a beautiful continent. And I couldn't figure out what we were hoping to gain to make up for that.



No. I can rephrase my comment if you like. Sometime clarity is important. It was mostly about immigration. Better? Of course, I now expect you will ask me how I know what it was mostly about. So lets save some going back and forth. I judge by the comments here and on what I read elsewhere and form a subjective opinion. If it wasn't mostly about immigration, then please ask your fellow leave voters if they would be happy to continue to accept freedom of movement as long as they got whatever else it is they wanted out of brexit. Because that is the brexit model I'm hoping for. Retain access to single market and financial passporting via entry into the EFTA (or ECC or whatever), retain freedom of movement, and the rest such as EU laws and monetary contributions I don't have strong preference either way.

Well as you probably know single market membership without the political strings attached (democracy by fax I think the derogatory reference is) would be my preferred option.

The idea of the single market, or the 4 freedoms doesn't bother me. Trying to negotiate the many aspects of our nation that the EU touches with 27 other countries who are no longer, culturally, socially and economically similar to ourselves seems to me to be an exercise in futility rather than co-operation.

Kohoutek

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

27 other countries who are no longer, culturally, socially and economically similar to ourselves seems to me to be an exercise in futility rather than co-operation.

Even by the low standards of the Brexiteers here, that's quite an absurd claim. You've been to all 27 and verified this, I presume?

TrickyTree83

Kohoutek wrote: »

Even by the low standards of the Brexiteers here, that's quite an absurd claim. You've been to all 27 and verified this, I presume?

I've actually been around quite a few places in Eastern Europe, my wife is from Ukraine, and we've friends from:

Latvia
Lithuania
Estonia
Bulgaria
Poland
Slovakia
Belarus
Ukraine

All because of the circles we move in.

Their perception of race, !!!!!exuality, corruption, religion, etc.. is very different. Perhaps my observations are not so bold, perhaps you're naive to the differences?