An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

setmefree2

westernpromise wrote: »

I think the plan, insofar as there is one, is to take over the Labour Party and turn it into a Trotskyite front. The parties take turns to win elections, so sooner or later the Tories will just lose and Labour, no matter how deranged, will get back in.

It's so naive it's laughable.

It didn't work in 1983....

seven-day-weekend

Moby wrote: »

Just as a sideline.....how do you square being a Tory and a Christian....I mean Jesus' message about being selfless,........ the last shall be first in the kingdom of God,........ more likely that a camel will get through the eye of a needle than a rich person enter heaven etc?
Not having a dig....genuinely something I think about myself:)

I remember Thatcher said something to the effect that the good Samaritan could only help the beggar because he/she had resources to do so!

You can be selfless whilst espousing conservative principles....like giving someone a fishing rod and teaching them to fish....faqr better in the long run than just feeding them, although of course you do that too while they need it.

The thing about the rich entering heaven is about one's ATTITUDE to riches, not about having riches, in fact rich Christians can help the poor precisely BECAUSE they have the wherewithall to do so (similar to what Thatcher said).

Read it in context in Matthew's Gospel:
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”


It was the young man's attitude to his wealth, his not wanting to use it to help the poor, that was wrong, not the fact that he was wealthy. When Jesus said that it was hard for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, he meant that their wealth and possessions often got in the way of doing what was right.

Also, a great many Conservatives are working class and not wealthy!

setmefree2

The Latest ICM Poll

POLL: The Tories are STILL crushing Labour

Conservatives 41 / Labour 27]

It is the third straight ICM/Guardian poll to put Labour below 30%

The poll puts the Conservatives a whopping 14-points ahead of Labour — the third consecutive ICM/Guardian poll to put Jeremy Corbyn's Labour below the 30% mark.

A Poll published by YouGov at this stage in the last electoral cycle August 30 2011, gave Ed Miliband's Labour a five-point lead over the Tories. Labour went on to lose the 2015 general election. The opposition party has almost always been leading the government at this point throughout history. On average, governments have plummeted to net ratings of -8 points at this stage in the cycle. Yet, despite this, current Labour leader Corbyn is on course to regain his position with an even bigger mandate than his victory last year. A new YouGov poll put the veteran socialist 24-points ahead of challenger Owen Smith.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/icm-guardian-labour-conservatives-tories-corbyn-poll-2016-8?r=US&IR=T

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

Jeremy Corbyn is a career politician.....he's been an MP for 32 years. Is that not a career?

And Diane Abbot is the biggest hypocrite on this earth - she sent her son to one of the poshest private schools in the country - St Pauls.

westernpromise

Moby wrote: »

Just as a sideline.....how do you square being a Tory and a Christian....

It's all part of the narcissism of the left that Jesus votes Labour. I refer you to the parable of the talents.

A tougher question would be how a Christian can believe in climate change. Given God's promise never to inundate the world again, belief that the icecaps are melting is flat out heresy. Environmentalism is a competing, heretical religion.

TrickyTree83

westernpromise wrote: »

It's all part of the narcissism of the left that Jesus votes Labour. I refer you to the parable of the talents.

A tougher question would be how a Christian can believe in climate change. Given God's promise never to inundate the world again, belief that the icecaps are melting is flat out heresy. Environmentalism is a competing, heretical religion.

And on that note I'll add that hypocrisy is the currency of the left.

Anyone far-left on here ought not to be here since they ought to be selling their electronic devices or giving them away to re-distribute their wealth to others.

It's alright re-distributing other peoples wealth, but they'll never re-distribute their own when confronted to do so. They're all a little right-wing but you'll never catch them admitting it.

I'd like to see Rugged act on his beliefs before pontificating that we all should do so too.

If I re-distribute my wealth by donating to charity it's a voluntary action because of who I am, rather than theft via government taxation.

seven-day-weekend

westernpromise wrote: »

It's all part of the narcissism of the left that Jesus votes Labour. I refer you to the parable of the talents.

A tougher question would be how a Christian can believe in climate change. Given God's promise never to inundate the world again, belief that the icecaps are melting is flat out heresy. Environmentalism is a competing, heretical religion.

God said HE would never flood the world again, not that WE wouldn't.......:)

seven-day-weekend

westernpromise wrote: »

It's all part of the narcissism of the left that Jesus votes Labour. I refer you to the parable of the talents.

A tougher question would be how a Christian can believe in climate change. Given God's promise never to inundate the world again, belief that the icecaps are melting is flat out heresy. Environmentalism is a competing, heretical religion.

Yes.....it's odd how they seemed to have claimed Jesus as their own, when in fact many of them don't even believe he was who he said he was, and still more don't even believe he existed.:rotfl:

westernpromise

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

God said HE would never flood the world again, not that WE wouldn't.......:)

In which case, God must be a whiny American lawyer.

westernpromise

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Yes.....it's odd how they seemed to have claimed Jesus as their own, when in fact many of them don't even believe he was who he said he was, and still more don't even believe he existed.:rotfl:

They definitely don't go along with "render unto Caesar", either. They're more about Caesar rendering unto them.