An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

seven-day-weekend

Fella wrote: »

Serious question for Ruggedtoast. What do you actually contribute to society? I have no idea what, if any, job you do etc but you seem to spend every minute of every day on here spitting bile about boomers, Tories, home-owners, anyone with a pension, & latterly (quite amusingly) anyone in the Labour party who isn't a communist. So since your so lavish in your criticism of almost everyone else what do you actually do to make the world a better place for others?

I don't suppose I am ruggedtoast's favourite person then.......:)

westernpromise

Fella wrote: »

Serious question for Ruggedtoast. What do you actually contribute to society? ... what do you actually do to make the world a better place for others?

At a guess, nothing. That's the job of the state. The world is to be made better by robbing the productive and giving their money to those who will not work or who will not stop breeding.

Toastie's role in life - and the summit of his ambitions - is to spend other people's wealth. He votes Labour because he expects to get paid. He is training himself to feel good about this by demonising and dehumanising the people he wants robbed.

He can't bring himself to disagree with John Prescott that good schools are a "great danger" either.

BJV

Fella wrote: »

Serious question for Ruggedtoast. What do you actually contribute to society? I have no idea what, if any, job you do etc but you seem to spend every minute of every day on here spitting bile about boomers, Tories, home-owners, anyone with a pension, & latterly (quite amusingly) anyone in the Labour party who isn't a communist. So since your so lavish in your criticism of almost everyone else what do you actually do to make the world a better place for others?

Glad you asked that I was beginning to think I had missed something and that Rugged Toast really was Mother Teresa.

PS seven day week - for other post thanks for helping Job Club. Good on you! Even if all you did was to sell Victoria Sponge ( which you do not ) at least you ARE doing something. Far better to try to help in any way you can than to sit back do nothing and moan.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So a church parishioner who volunteers to help the needy but votes Conservative because that party aligns with their view of how the country should be run doesn't care about the needy?

You can give every penny earned to charity and spend every hour of your free time volunteering at the local orphanage, but if you don't vote Corbyn you're a depraved, inhuman monster.

Looking forward to the above catchy slogan on Labour posters during the next General Election campaign.

shaggydoo

ruggedtoast wrote: »

This is the process of kicking the Tories out of the Labour Party.

It seems to be going quite well from the sound of the pitiful and almost unending squealing coming from the Right, as it happens.

I had been a member of the Labour Party for 30 years. I could no longer stand what is going on so I've left.

No doubt when the next local elections come around and in 2020 someone like you will ring me up or come knocking on my door asking me to vote Labour - I will say no - as apparently I'm a Tory and only worthy of contempt.

BJV

I had voted Labour all my life. As I said in my first post on this thread I honestly thought this was a joke no-one can be that gullible ????

westernpromise

I think the plan, insofar as there is one, is to take over the Labour Party and turn it into a Trotskyite front. The parties take turns to win elections, so sooner or later the Tories will just lose and Labour, no matter how deranged, will get back in.

It's so naive it's laughable.

Moby

There are plenty of policies, if any of you spent time looking for them, you would find them.

Here is one source:

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/economy

They are not credible policies....they are aspirations.

I disagree that JC has alienated the PLP. The PLP has alienated itself from the membership. There are a great many career politicians who like being Labour MPs because being a Labour MP gives them an income and a particular identity that they assume is bestowed upon them automatically.

Jeremy Corbyn is a career politician.....he's been an MP for 32 years. Is that not a career?

Nevertheless they are not especially interested in identifying with the poor or the voiceless and would rather the unions went away.

They don't like the new membership because as well as asking awkward questions about their values its brought in enough income that, along with the union subs, there is little excuse for pampered Blairite politicos to cosy up with big business and agree to promote neoliberal policy in exchange for Party donations. And eventual lucrative directorships.

Absolute nonsense. I come from a Welsh mining background and grew up in a family which taught me the way to change things was through gaining power at Westminster. Talking about corruption by the way....did you know John McDonnell is presently under investigation for not declaring a 300k donation to his office?

The Labour movement was established with no Parliamentary influence at all, when the Whigs and the Tories were the only parties British (men) had to vote for.

The struggle started on the steeets and then the movement realised the means to power was through the parliamentary route....Kier Hardy etc!

Post Blair we have essentially gone backwards to having the Whigs and the Tories.

I think its a shame that it appears that over a century on the Labour movement needs to be recreated but if thats how it is then thats how it is. It might be a bit easier this time because at least the membership is in place.

More utter tripe......how can you re-create a movement? sounds very new Model Army and purist nonsense to me. People are different from each other, have different values and aspirations and all you can hope for is a loose coalition of interests in reality.

I really see no point whatsoever in most of the PLP as it stands. Much of it would be quite at home in the Conservative Party, abstaining on welfare bills, voting for illegal wars, doubling the national debt to a trillion quid to shovel into the pockets of bankers, and spending billions on stupid ineffective nuclear weapons systems while the working poor and their children line up at food banks.

They stand for absolutely nothing, have lost two national elections in a row, have lost Scotland and are now so terrified of the Tory press its impossible to see how they could ever give Labour an identity of its own again.

Good riddance

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So again I ask how is Corbyn going to change things so that people in lets say the Midlands choose him instead of the tories? Corbyn is a pacifist idiot who would not come to the aid of a NATO ally. The first responsibility of a leader is to protect the nation. Corbyn would lie belly up for the Russians to walk all over him while citing how wonderful it is that South Africa gave up their nuclear weapons. He has no strategy as to what his response would be to a terrorist attack....when asked for his response to the Paris atrocities....he just commented that the police should not have a shoot first policy..........he is a weak, ineffectual surrender monkey!

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

No most of the members aren't. The MPs don't seem to have got the message.

The MPs know him to be incompetent and believe he has no chance of winning an election. This is the opinion of a large number of Corbyn supporters too - so ask yourself why are you all still supporting him?

YouGov poll

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However, look beyond YouGov's headline figures and you will find some really interesting data about how the people who plan to back Corbyn truly feel about his qualities.
As illustrated below, YouGov found that a massive 40% of members who plan to vote Corbyn do not believe he is competent, and nearly half (44%) do not think he is likely to lead Labour to victory at the 2020 general election.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-corbyn-smith-labour-leadership-2016-8

You're all nuts. The MPs are the sane ones.

Moby

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

I don't suppose I am ruggedtoast's favourite person then.......:)

Just as a sideline.....how do you square being a Tory and a Christian....I mean Jesus' message about being selfless,........ the last shall be first in the kingdom of God,........ more likely that a camel will get through the eye of a needle than a rich person enter heaven etc?
Not having a dig....genuinely something I think about myself:)

I remember Thatcher said something to the effect that the good Samaritan could only help the beggar because he/she had resources to do so!