An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

For someone who hates the tories (allegedly) supporting Corbyn is certainly a nod to continued tory leadership.

Remember that thing called a majority, that's required to govern. The Conservatives have one, by splitting Labour you're just increasing that majority by splitting the opposition. Round of applause for Comrade Corbyn and his disciples!

Apparently the Corbynistas don't want to govern - same YouGov poll

However, look beyond YouGov's headline figures and you will find some really interesting data about how the people who plan to back Corbyn truly feel about his qualities.
As illustrated below, YouGov found that a massive 40% of members who plan to vote Corbyn do not believe he is competent, and nearly half (44%) do not think he is likely to lead Labour to victory at the 2020 general election.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-corbyn-smith-labour-leadership-2016-8

What an absolute dereliction of duty.

westernpromise

setmefree2 wrote: »

What an absolute dereliction of duty.

Not necessarily. The less deranged ones probably figure that nobody could lead them to victory in 2020 so it doesn't matter how much of a useless jackass Khorbiyn is. What Khorbiyn is for is to enable and assist the total penetration of Labour by the hard left, in hopes that the voters will eventually forget what vicious loonies Labour actually are. On a Buggins' turn basis, they probably figure that eventually people will get tired of the Tories and that they will eventually vote in a Trotskyite wreckers' party instead.

They are of course wrong. You hear a lot on line from leftist whackjobs about how anyone could have won the 1997 election against Major. So the reasoning goes that had a loony been insinuated into Blair's role as LotO, we would have had a Communist government in 1997.

The fact is that 1992 was far more propitious for Labour to win because we were in the middle of a German exported recession and housing bust and the Tories had only just bloodily got shot of Thatcher. They still lost because they were led by a ginger Welsh loony lightweight, and anyone similar would have lost in 1997 too.

The prize in front of May is that Labour may now organise themselves in such a way as to assure permanent electoral oblivion. This is why she won't IMO call an early election: Khorbiyn's work of destroying Labour is not yet finished. And as a great man once said, Never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake,.

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

For someone who hates the tories (allegedly) supporting Corbyn is certainly a nod to continued tory leadership.

Remember that thing called a majority, that's required to govern. The Conservatives have one, by splitting Labour you're just increasing that majority by splitting the opposition. Round of applause for Comrade Corbyn and his disciples!

Quite the opposite. This is the process of kicking the Tories out of the Labour Party.

It seems to be going quite well from the sound of the pitiful and almost unending squealing coming from the Right, as it happens.

ruggedtoast

Smith Camp reeling as poll points to Corbyn win with even greater majority, in spite of the PLP excluding hundreds of thousands of members from voting for him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-labour-owen-smith_uk_57c6761be4b09f5b5e348594?utm_hp_ref=uk

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Quite the opposite. This is the process of kicking the Tories out of the Labour Party.

It seems to be going quite well from the sound of the pitiful and almost unending squealing coming from the Right, as it happens.

The squealing is being done by people who hover on both the left and right of the centre ground. That place where Labour won their last election if you recall.

Corbyn's Labour followers are in a minority in the grand scheme of UK politics. Perhaps not in the Labour membership, but as a consequence the Labour vote count will dwindle, and you'll only have yourselves to blame for successive Conservative governments - no matter how bad they are!

If it was harder to persuade the swing voters before 2015, you and other Corbynistas will have succeeded in making it an almost impossible task by comparison. Not everyone is hard left/right. I think you may end up looking back on Ed Miliband as the good old days in years to come.

westernpromise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The squealing is being done by people who hover on both the left and right of the centre ground. That place where Labour won their last election if you recall.

Corbyn's Labour followers are in a minority in the grand scheme of UK politics. Perhaps not in the Labour membership, but as a consequence the Labour vote count will dwindle, and you'll only have yourselves to blame for successive Conservative governments - no matter how bad they are!

If it was harder to persuade the swing voters before 2015, you and other Corbynistas will have succeeded in making it an almost impossible task by comparison. Not everyone is hard left/right. I think you may end up looking back on Ed Miliband as the good old days in years to come.

It's also going to be electoral gold dust for the Tories for decades that Labour is leaving a permanent online record of its hatred and loathing of pretty well everybody. Like the winter of discontent, this gift will keep on giving.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Quite the opposite. This is the process of kicking the [STRIKE]Tories[/STRIKE] Middle Class out of the Labour Party.

Who is Labour trying to appeal to then?

posh*spice

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I think you may end up looking back on Ed Miliband as the good old days in years to come.

History will not be kind to Corbyn - look at how people regard Foot.

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Quite the opposite. This is the process of kicking the Tories out of the Labour Party.

It seems to be going quite well from the sound of the pitiful and almost unending squealing coming from the Right, as it happens.

Oh dear god - labour party members are not "the right" - you really are brain washed.

Moby

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Smith Camp reeling as poll points to Corbyn win with even greater majority, in spite of the PLP excluding hundreds of thousands of members from voting for him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-labour-owen-smith_uk_57c6761be4b09f5b5e348594?utm_hp_ref=uk

Rugged.... Im not a tory and resent being called one. I'm also not a right wing hater like the Westernpromises of this world. Some of us are moderates and realise the middle way is best. Corbyn is an unelectable idiot and the tories are in power and look like staying there for some time to come; but inevitably they will screw up and/or the public will grow tired of their cynicism sooner or later and then we'll have a change. You and Western are at the opposite ends of this spectrum, but you both have something in common, you both know how to hate really well and see your political opposite as anathema. Ever thought of forming a new party together, could call it the New Model Army.:)