An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

ruggedtoast

mrginge wrote: »

Tory central office will be rubbing their hands in glee at corbyn's dithering over NATO.
They can paint a truly dreadful picture of a leader who is not prepared to defend our country or our closest allies.

How can the electorate trust such a man to stand up for the people of this country - not just militarily but in any kind of tough negotiations, when he is such a wet fart.

Yes, another right wing boomer sacred cow is dragged squealing to the chopping block.

Unconditional support for American imperialism and antagonism of Russia through NATO.

Squeeaaaal. Chop.

The fact is there is a lot more support for dropping this than Telegraph readers dare imagine.

"I would want to avoid us getting involved militarily by building up the diplomatic relationships and also trying to not isolate any country in Europe, to bring them up." Pressed on the subject, he added: "I don’t wish to go to war. What I want to do is achieve a world where we don’t need to go to war, where there is no need for it. That can be done."

Finally a leader who wants the UK to graduate to a mature and equitable relationship with our peers, rather than slavishly adhering to neocon regime change and ever more disastrous CIA funded insurrections.

ruggedtoast

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I'm very proud to live in a country with a welfare state, but I think we should be able to discuss its practical limits and the level of personal responsibility expected without hysterics from the left.

I'm confident that most people in Britain would like a happy medium between the extremes of Tory greed and 70s Labour. Who are they supposed to vote for? I seriously think my only option is to spoil my ballot paper.

You live in a country with a welfare state because 66 years ago the British people, (including the vast majority of servicemen and women), rejected Tory austerity and British Imperialism, and voted conclusively for a Labour government that, for the the first time ever, put the interests of the British people above those of the elites.

The only interest Theresa May and her cronies have in the welfare state is how much of it they sell off to their friends, privatise for their own personal benefit, and dismantle before the next election.

setmefree2

BobQ wrote: »

While he has never said so directly, Corbyn appears to people like me to be a pacifist and this is one of the reasons I will never vote for him. As a backbench idealist he could take that view but as a frontline politician he cannot.

While he never says so directly, he appears to also hate the middle classes - which is just one of the reasons why he won't get their vote.

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

Tory central office will be rubbing their hands in glee at corbyn's dithering over NATO.
They can paint a truly dreadful picture of a leader who is not prepared to defend our country or our closest allies.

How can the electorate trust such a man to stand up for the people of this country - not just militarily but in any kind of tough negotiations, when he is such a wet fart.

Its actually worse than that. It is a statement of intent to breach an Internatonal Treaty we signed.

ruggedtoast

BobQ wrote: »

Its actually worse than that. It is a statement of intent to breach an Internatonal Treaty we signed.

Exactly like Donald Trump, who is most likely going to be the next US president. Which should please you lot.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Exactly like Donald Trump, who is most likely going to be the next US president. Which should please you lot.

good that you see a direct link between two loonies, trump and corbyn; so do most of us who want neither.

posh*spice

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Exactly like Donald Trump, who is most likely going to be the next US president. Which should please you lot.

Who is most likely not going to be the next president. He's well behind in the polls.

Very like Corbyn, the republican party members have picked someone the normal voter find unvotable for.

BobQ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Exactly like Donald Trump, who is most likely going to be the next US president. Which should please you lot.

I do not understand your logic Both are barmy. If I lived in the US I would vote Clinton every time.

Nothing about this pleases me. I would vote for a Labour Party led by a moderate like David Miliband, Dan Jarvis, Yvette Cooper, or Chucka Umuna. But many of the best candidates have left or are leaving (eg Sadiq Khan, Andy Burnham), others will follow as they have no wish to be part of a marginalised minor opposition party.

But you are asking me to vote for Corbyn and people like Hoey, Abbot, Thornberry and McDonnell and other non-entities. This does not please me. It saddens me that this is the best Labour can offer.

Were I a Tory it would indeed make me pleased. But I am just trying to think of a good reason to vote Labour. Try suggesting one instead of calling non-believers names.

seven-day-weekend

BobQ wrote: »

I do not understand your logic Both are barmy. If I lived in the US I would vote Clinton every time.

Nothing about this pleases me. I would vote for a Labour Party led by a moderate like David Miliband, Dan Jarvis, Yvette Cooper, or Chucka Umuna. But many of the best candidates have left or are leaving (eg Sadiq Khan, Andy Burnham), others will follow as they have no wish to be part of a marginalised minor opposition party.

But you are asking me to vote for Corbyn and people like Hoey, Abbot, Thornberry and McDonnell and other non-entities. This does not please me. It saddens me that this is the best Labour can offer.

Were I a Tory it would indeed make me pleased. But I am just trying to think of a good reason to vote Labour. Try suggesting one instead of calling non-believers names.

There isn't one. I think the best you can hope for is that some of those you have mentioned will form a Real Labour party, then you can vote for them.

.string.

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

There isn't one. I think the best you can hope for is that some of those you have mentioned will form a Real Labour party, then you can vote for them.

Yes I think you've right there. Regrettably the writing seems to be on the wall for the now-corrupted Labour Party. It's time for a rethink of the left of British political opinion.

A few designations of Labour who resubmit themselves for reelection as a newly formed "Real Labour Party", use of that mandate for the rest of the Labour MPs to jump ship and mass exodus of Labour MPs to the new party and formation of the official opposition and possible re-election at the next GE.