An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

mwpt

Hi ruggedtoast, perhaps I missed a reply to my earlier question. What are the specific policies that you and Corbyn plan to implement to reduce inequality while ensuring everyone continues to become overall richer?

Is it purely a taxation thing, higher taxes on corporations and high earners, with more redistribution?

Or is it a money printing thing? Or more borrowing to fund our services?

It's quite a simple question, and I think important to answer if you want to convince people to vote for your policies.

ruggedtoast

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

You see, this is where your attitude is not going to translate into votes. Not being much into politics (especially the correct type of politics) does not make people hateful, monstrous, thick idiots who only watch TOWIE. It just means they're not much into politics.

You claim that posters here live in a bubble and have no idea how others live; I venture to suggest that you are woefully out of touch with the vast swathes of ordinary, mild mannered, law-abiding, middle class, middle income, centrist people who make up the backbone of Britain. Labour desperately needs their vote, and I'm pretty certain calling them names isn't going to secure it.

Well thats just dandy. And you a public sector worker.

When Tory government cuts close your department, to the cheering of Clapton and Westernpromise, and you go to sign on to find that the self service computer has sanctioned your benefits for 3 months because you didn't attend a meeting you weren't told about, then you can reflect on your mild mannered compatriots compassionate conservatism.

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

we that leaves the dilemma of why

the 'working class' under proform.

According to toastie the curriculum is taught identically in all schools and of course the funding is higher in poor areas so that seems to leave the possibility that children of poorer people aren't very clever and/or the poorer parents hold their kids back by bad parenting or of course that more funding damages education.

Doesn't seem much to do with the type of schools.
Mind you I'm personally not particularly in favour of grammar school although one does favour diversity in most things.

You clearly know nothing about how education is funded, or how the curriculum is even set, in the country in which you live.

Why don't you stick to debating things you know about?

Admittedly that would leave you pretty silent on most of these threads but that wouldnt be a bad thing.

ruggedtoast

BobQ wrote: »

If a latter day Blair were leading the Labour Party (say someone like David Miliband) I cannot disagree bad things might still happen but Labour would have more chance of being elected and far more undecided, fair minded people would be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I don't want Labour to be elected "with a latter day Blair". Who would want that?

This might surprise you, but supporting a political party is not like supporting a football team where you don't care how they win as long as they get to the top of the table.

I don't especially want yet another Tory Prime minister, let alone one wearing a Labour rosette.

cells

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I don't want Labour to be elected "with a latter day Blair". Who would want that?

This might surprise you, but supporting a political party is not like supporting a football team where you don't care how they win as long as they get to the top of the table.

I don't especially want yet another Tory Prime minister, let alone one wearing a Labour rosette.

What if the only realistic choice is a latter day Blair or or a modern day May?

ruggedtoast

mwpt wrote: »

Hi ruggedtoast, perhaps I missed a reply to my earlier question. What are the specific policies that you and Corbyn plan to implement to reduce inequality while ensuring everyone continues to become overall richer?

Is it purely a taxation thing, higher taxes on corporations and high earners, with more redistribution?

Or is it a money printing thing? Or more borrowing to fund our services?

It's quite a simple question, and I think important to answer if you want to convince people to vote for your policies.

A national investment bank to increase support for sustainable enterprise and new industry, where at least the money we owe is being paid back to ourselves.

The alternative is the UK continues marching toward being the world's offshore casino.

Brexit may well be the end of London's primacy as a financial centre anyway.

A living wage and an end to in work poverty benefits.

A flood of affordable housing so that British people can actually use their salaries to enrich Britain, not just bankers and permanently on holiday landlord boomers.

westernpromise

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

The posts on the past few pages are mostly from the more extreme ends of the political spectrum; from those whose views are so entrenched they will never change their mind and vote for the despicable "other".

You have to remember that the majority of Britons:

- are not members of a political party
- don't go to political meetings/activist events
- vote out of a vague sense of obligation, usually for the least worst option, rather than in a frenzy of enthusiasm
- are not passionately welded to a certain political viewpoint, and may regularly change the way they vote
- don't like being hectored for the way they vote, and being told what to do (a significant factor in the Remain campaign failing IMO).

Are these people likely to be swayed by the hysterical righteousness of the shrill Corbynites?

The only extreme views I see in this thread are from Toastie, who is so far off the reservation that he actually considers a Labour Prime Minister to have been a Tory. That is how potty Labour has now gone.

As I have observed, he is up against a socially liberal, fiscally conservative Conservative party that is far more in tune with what people want and think than he and his hate-filled ISIL-hugging loony compadres. For example, a Survation poll found that 71% favoured the Coalition's benefit cap and 14% opposed it.
http://survation.com/a-26000-welfare-benefits-cap-survation-survey-checks-public-opinion-daily-star-sunday/

Opposition to limiting benefits (so that work pays better) it is a headbanging, loony fringe view.

Likewise, there are similar levels of support for the continuation and expansion of grammar schools.
Asked if they would support the introduction of some new state grammar schools, especially in urban areas where there currently are none, 76% support the idea, 17% oppose it and 6% don't know. Support for grammars is strong across all age and income groups with a remarkable 85% of 18 to 24 year-olds (many first time voters) wanting more grammar schools.
http://www.ngsa.org.uk/news-2010-01.php

There is no evidence that making middle class children's lives worse makes anyone else's better.

The electorate is simply quite a lot more sophisticated than Toastie gives it credit for. Toastie doesn't give two hoots about anyone else but himself. Unfortunately the voters see right through all his pious guff about fairness and understand that he is all about special pleading for the terminally shiftless and the greedily entitled.

Back in the 70s Toastie would have been arguing for ever more subsidies for disastrous state-run firms like British Leyland, and for other state-run to be forced to buy Austin Allegros, and for tariff penalties on better cars, all to protect the lifestyle of the idle Marxist gob5hites who were employed in those industries.

The fact that we are a magnet for everyone in Europe who wants to work shows how out of touch he really is.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Well thats just dandy. And you a public sector worker.

When Tory government cuts close your department, to the cheering of Clapton and Westernpromise, and you go to sign on to find that the self service computer has sanctioned your benefits for 3 months because you didn't attend a meeting you weren't told about, then you can reflect on your mild mannered compatriots compassionate conservatism.

My department has ten multiple A* grade applicants for every undergraduate place and tens of millions in research grants (across a range of industrial sectors, and many outside the EU). We're positioned to be buffered against government policy changes. I have six months salary saved for redundancy, and an EFL qualification that can get me a job in any foreign language school abroad. You see, lots of ordinary people save, plan ahead and take responsibility for their own lives. I've never voted Tory btw, along with the many others whose votes Labour needs.

westernpromise

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I have six months salary saved for redundancy.

That makes you rich, so Toastie hates you.

ruggedtoast

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

My department has ten multiple A* grade applicants for every undergraduate place and tens of millions in research grants (across a range of industrial sectors, and many outside the EU). We're positioned to be buffered against government policy changes. I have six months salary saved for redundancy, and an EFL qualification that can get me a job in any foreign language school abroad. You see, lots of ordinary people save, plan ahead and take responsibility for their own lives. I've never voted Tory btw, along with the many others whose votes Labour needs.

Well all is well for you then. Devil take the hindmost.