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An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

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  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
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    Grammar schools would be fine if working class children graduated from primary school with the same levels of attainment as their middle class peers, but they don't.

    Actually that's not true. The reason grammar schools were scrapped was because middle class kids weren't getting into them and working class kids were.

    I'm opposed to more grammar schools. London's state schools have proved you don't have to be selective to be successful.
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
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    Moby wrote: »
    Surely what you are saying is anecdotal?

    You are stereotyping. Not all black kids fit your stereotype.
  • mwpt
    mwpt Posts: 2,502 Forumite
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    setmefree2 wrote: »
    Providing them with good education. The rest is up to them.

    It is a very difficult problem. My other half is a teacher and says it is quite apparent the negative impact poor parenting has on children's results and behaviour at school.

    Teachers are leaving in droves because they don't have time to be parents and teachers to more and more kids. This is her anecdotal opinion.

    I don't know how we solve the problem of parents who seem to be entirely without clue or parenting skills.
  • cells
    cells Posts: 5,246 Forumite
    setmefree2 wrote: »
    Actually that's not true. The reason grammar schools were scrapped was because middle class kids weren't getting into them and working class kids were.

    I'm opposed to more grammar schools. London's state schools have proved you don't have to be selective to be successful.


    dont state schools themselves have upper middle and lower class segregation?
  • I'd still like to hear from Toastie how holding middle-class children back helps anyone, and whether he agrees with John Prescott that good schools are a "great danger".

    Not difficult surely?
  • BobQ
    BobQ Posts: 11,181 Forumite
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    Moby wrote: »
    There’s likely to be some concern in NATO over Corbyn’s remarks at the Birmingham hustings when he was asked whether he would come to the aid of another NATO member attacked by Russia. Basically Corbyn implied he wouldn’t, suggesting instead that there should be peace throughout Europe through closer discussions etc.
    Very noble, and no one would disagree with that, but we are in NATO and it has certain treaty provisions which Corbyn appears willing to tear up. This is, I suspect, electorally more devastating for Labour than the Trident debate. I suspect it’s also more destabilising in geopolitical terms, as Corbyn’s views will be pure manna from heaven for Putin.
    Putin's one abiding aim with the west is to neuter NATO, and it is by no means beyond the bounds of possibility that he would try to do this by agitating in some of the Baltic states and calling NATO’s bluff. Hearing that the UK opposition leader would not support action against him in such circumstances is very encouraging. Were Corbyn ever to become PM this would be Putin’s first task of splitting a major NATO player from the pack accomplished, without any effort on his part.
    With each hustings event and each platform speech, I become more and more convinced that the Conservatives will tear Labour to shreds on defence and security if Corbyn wins, without even having to mention Trident.

    While he has never said so directly, Corbyn appears to people like me to be a pacifist and this is one of the reasons I will never vote for him. As a backbench idealist he could take that view but as a frontline politician he cannot.
    Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    Moby wrote: »
    Seen this Clappers:-
    A new report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission has highlighted a “very worrying combination of a post-Brexit rise in hate crime and long-term systemic unfairness and race inequality”, in the words of its chairman David Isaac. The review found that black and ethnic minority people in Britain still face “entrenched” race inequality in many areas including health, education, employment and housing.
    BBC political correspondent Ross Hawkins said the report also concluded there had been “a spike in racism and hate crime in England and Wales after the Brexit vote” while Scotland, where a majority voted to remain in the EU, showed lower levels of hate crime.

    I condemn all hate crimes. Sadly the Corbyn trot clique are activity encouraging hate crime as is toxic toastie.

    I find it difficult however to see how
    long-term systemic unfairness and race inequality
    can possibly be a consequence of brexit.

    The commission is a loonie left wing organisation which is dedicated to
    Our job is to help make Britain fairer. We do this by safeguarding and enforcing the laws that protect people’s rights to fairness, dignity and respect.

    It is a total waste of public money and should be directly funded by the labour party or on a voluntary basis.
  • BobQ wrote: »
    While he has never said so directly, Corbyn appears to people like me to be a pacifist and this is one of the reasons I will never vote for him. As a backbench idealist he could take that view but as a frontline politician he cannot.

    He has certainly said he will not defend our country.
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  • fatbeetle
    fatbeetle Posts: 571 Forumite
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    Moby;

    You quote someone talking about;
    just thought I give toxic toastie an opportunity to explain why children that go to well funded schools in trot dominated councils, perform so much more poorly than in schools where the emphasis is on reading and writing and doing some maths

    And your reply is;
    A new report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission has highlighted a “very worrying combination of a post-Brexit

    With no attempt to find any collusion or relevance to the quote.

    That's a bit daft isn't it?
    “If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and who weren't so lazy.”
  • mrginge
    mrginge Posts: 4,843 Forumite
    BobQ wrote: »
    While he has never said so directly, Corbyn appears to people like me to be a pacifist and this is one of the reasons I will never vote for him. As a backbench idealist he could take that view but as a frontline politician he cannot.

    Tory central office will be rubbing their hands in glee at corbyn's dithering over NATO.
    They can paint a truly dreadful picture of a leader who is not prepared to defend our country or our closest allies.

    How can the electorate trust such a man to stand up for the people of this country - not just militarily but in any kind of tough negotiations, when he is such a wet fart.
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