An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

bobbymotors

Still you fail to answer, rugged. Are you dyslexic and finding it hard to read the questions? Here they are again, in bold. And italics. And underlined.

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now? UNANSWERED

where's the money going to come from? 2% ANSWERED

Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories? UNANSWERED

bobbymotors

westernpromise wrote: »

They wise up and vote Tory, mainly.

By and large, they do, yes.

What Rugged, JC and his followers never get is that there are two worlds out there. The idealistic, let's all be equal utopia of socialism.

And the real world, where it doesn't work and never will.

People have aspirations, they want a better life for their kids, they want to live comfortably, quietly and peacefully, have a few holidays every year as they age, etc.

In other words, the idealism goes out of the window once you have your own children, home, job, mortgage, etc.

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bobbymotors wrote: »

Still you fail to answer, rugged. Are you dyslexic and finding it hard to read the questions? Here they are again, in bold. And italics. And underlined.

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now? UNANSWERED

where's the money going to come from? 2% ANSWERED

Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories? UNANSWERED

I admire your persistence, but it's the same wasted effort this time as it was every other time. In the same way that Corbyn isn't a "leader", being at best a "mascot", Rugged is not an answerer of questions. His job is to list all the things that others have, and demand them. You need look no further than his post in this very thread, number 1120.... "give me your bus pass."

Labour as a party has now publicly announced that it is not interested in winning power by democratic means. I think we can now "look forward" to protest marches and mass rallies of the faithful. Show trials of the unfaithful. Heresy hunts.

Rugged's tactics will be to ignore the opinion polls, continue to alienate the pensioner vote (never a clever move, given their likelihood to vote, but who said he was clever?), press for what seems to be equality of outcome regardless of that little thing called "effort" and generally to carry on, not answering questions and being insulting to anyone who disagrees with him.

Fine by me, as tactics like that will never convince doubters, let alone opponents, to vote Labour. I'm no Tory, but the sad thing is that they will be 'laughing their jodhpurs off.' (I thought I'd slip in a Tory stereotype for Rugged's benefit there )

Labour have a hard enough job at the next election, given their little local difficulty in Scotland, and boundary changes, and (if Rugged's posts are anything to go by) attitudes to reward for effort. With Corbyn in charge? The Tories - Hell, even the LibDems :rotfl: will tear Labour to shreds.

With last year's leadership vote, the Labour party poured itself a brandy and loaded the revolver. With this year's vote, it picked up the revolver and blew its brains out .

WR

bobbymotors

Wild_Rover wrote: »

I admire your persistence, but it's the same wasted effort this time as it was every other time. In the same way that Corbyn isn't a "leader", being at best a "mascot", Rugged is not an answerer of questions. His job is to list all the things that others have, and demand them. You need look no further than his post in this very thread, number 1120.... "give me your bus pass."

Labour as a party has now publicly announced that it is not interested in winning power by democratic means. I think we can now "look forward" to protest marches and mass rallies of the faithful. Show trials of the unfaithful. Heresy hunts.

Rugged's tactics will be to ignore the opinion polls, continue to alienate the pensioner vote (never a clever move, given their likelihood to vote, but who said he was clever?), press for what seems to be equality of outcome regardless of that little thing called "effort" and generally to carry on, not answering questions and being insulting to anyone who disagrees with him.

Fine by me, as tactics like that will never convince doubters, let alone opponents, to vote Labour. I'm no Tory, but the sad thing is that they will be 'laughing their jodhpurs off.' (I thought I'd slip in a Tory stereotype for Rugged's benefit there )

Labour have a hard enough job at the next election, given their little local difficulty in Scotland, and boundary changes, and (if Rugged's posts are anything to go by) attitudes to reward for effort. With Corbyn in charge? The Tories - Hell, even the LibDems :rotfl: will tear Labour to shreds.

With last year's leadership vote, the Labour party poured itself a brandy and loaded the revolver. With this year's vote, it picked up the revolver and blew its brains out .

WR

Yep. I doubt it will be a tory 'landslide' as such, probably 50-75 overall majority, as the lib dems will do slightly better than the tories in getting disenchanted labour votes...and they can hardly do worse than 2015.

Labour will probably lose 20 -30 seats IMO. Gain possibly 8-10 back in Scotland once the SNP craze subsides, but lose heavily in the midlands. Their base in the north though is quite resilient.

It will be interesting to see where the UKIP vote goes as they are now not needed...unless of course Brexit gets messed up. Plenty of ex labour voted UKIP as do ex Tories. It will probably even out.

Interesting that Labour have declared they are not bothered about power 'by democratic means' - not heard that before. Presumably then, they wish to attain it by undemocratic means? that'll go down well.

Yes, lots of protest marches against the 'cuts'...but we HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS at some point otherwise the country will be bankrupt. That's a concept the left can never get, and part of the reason Milliband lost so heavily...no one believed him when he said he would balance the books. But not the only reason - he was unelectable, as is Corbyn, as was Foot, Kinnock, etc.

Interesting times.

I'm still offering 9/2 for charity though.

And still waiting for some answers, although I doubt we will see any that make sense.

bobbymotors

His job is to list all the things that others have, and demand them.

that's the left for you.

I think we can now "look forward" to protest marches and mass rallies of the faithful.

Strange (or not) that they are able to attend these marches during the day whilst the rest of us are working to pay their benefits.

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bobbymotors wrote: »

Yep. I doubt it will be a tory 'landslide' as such, probably 50-75 overall majority, as the lib dems will do slightly better than the tories in getting disenchanted labour votes...and they can hardly do worse than 2015.

Labour will probably lose 20 -30 seats IMO. Gain possibly 8-10 back in Scotland once the SNP craze subsides, but lose heavily in the midlands. Their base in the north though is quite resilient.

It will be interesting to see where the UKIP vote goes as they are now not needed...unless of course Brexit gets messed up. Plenty of ex labour voted UKIP as do ex Tories. It will probably even out.

Interesting that Labour have declared they are not bothered about power 'by democratic means' - not heard that before. Presumably then, they wish to attain it by undemocratic means? that'll go down well.

Yes, lots of protest marches against the 'cuts'...but we HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS at some point otherwise the country will be bankrupt. That's a concept the left can never get, and part of the reason Milliband lost so heavily...no one believed him when he said he would balance the books. But not the only reason - he was unelectable, as is Corbyn, as was Foot, Kinnock, etc.

Interesting times.

I'm still offering 9/2 for charity though.

And still waiting for some answers, although I doubt we will see any that make sense.

I think, in the interests of fairness, I should point out that the comment in bold above refers to what is MY view..... based on the pretty self-evident circumstances that they have twice (so it's no accident) elected a leader who cannot win a UK general election.

Also, I wouldn't be too sure about Labour's prospects in Scotland. Dugdale isn't exactly setting the heather on fire, and at the last election Labour won only one seat at a time when the party as a whole was thinking it had a chance of a UK wide victory, or at least a hung parliament. (IIRC, Labour's one seat may have come about because the SNP candidate made a serious faux pas just before the election and was effectively disowned by the party.....). I can't see a surge in Labour support in Scotland at a time when the party nationally is seen as a bit of a joke.

Just my opinion of course!

WR

TrickyTree83

Can we have show trials of the Trots once they realise we were right and they lose 2020?

I'd enjoy seeing them squirm after the vitriol they've thrown around.

Fella

By far the worst thing about Corbyn (& this is saying something considering his political beliefs) is his utterly vile personality. I'm not sure I can readily think of anyone with less of a sense of humour & if he is challenged in any way he reacts with instant sarcasm & thinly veiled venom (most frequently witnessed when he's dealing with the press or dissenting members of his own party). His opinion of himself is off the scale & he clearly loathes anybody who doesn't agree with it.

Just as well really, since if he was charismatic he might start to appeal to more than the likes of Momentum.

But ultimately, as has been pointed out in a few places, if he actually had much about him then we'd have actually heard of him prior to last years leadership election. But I'd be willing to bet his name never featured in any of Rugged's 9,000-ish posts prior to the day the 35 morons put Corbyn on the ballot.

bobbymotors

Fella wrote: »

By far the worst thing about Corbyn (& this is saying something considering his political beliefs) is his utterly vile personality. I'm not sure I can readily think of anyone with less of a sense of humour & if he is challenged in any way he reacts with instant sarcasm & thinly veiled venom (most frequently witnessed when he's dealing with the press or dissenting members of his own party). His opinion of himself is off the scale & he clearly loathes anybody who doesn't agree with it.

Just as well really, since if he was charismatic he might start to appeal to more than the likes of Momentum.

But ultimately, as has been pointed out in a few places, if he actually had much about him then we'd have actually heard of him prior to last years leadership election. But I'd be willing to bet his name never featured in any of Rugged's 9,000-ish posts prior to the day the 35 morons put Corbyn on the ballot.

Rugged is entitled to believe anything he wants...we're allowed to do that here.

However it seems he can only spout abuse and vitriol rather than reasoned argument, which is a shame, as if the arguments stood up to reason, more on here would be with him.

We still await your answers rugged:

Where's the money coming from?

Where are the 50 -70 seats that JC needs to win from the tories?

Where is left wing socialism working and where has it ever worked?

TrickyTree83

bobbymotors wrote: »

Rugged is entitled to believe anything he wants...we're allowed to do that here.

However it seems he can only spout abuse and vitriol rather than reasoned argument, which is a shame, as if the arguments stood up to reason, more on here would be with him.

We still await your answers rugged:

Where's the money coming from?

Where are the 50 -70 seats that JC needs to win from the tories?

Where is left wing socialism working and where has it ever worked?

Can't wait for the socialism answer, having relatives who spent most of their life in the largest socialist experiment known to man (USSR) I want to read (laugh?) at the proposed improved method.