An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

bobbymotors

hello voyager

If he ever does become PM,

surely you must fancy a bit of 9/2? My £450 to your £100, to charity...do you feel lucky? Come on, 9/2?? Am i mad?

And can you answer the questions posed, given RT's reluctance?

I'm only asking them as they are vital questions and any prospecive labour govt, will need to answer them.

bobbymotors

Fella wrote: »

Altho there is a line of reasoning (which I support) that whoever follows Corbyn is going to seem so wonderful in comparison that they'll sweep the board. Corbyn may end up being what was needed to take away the taste of new labour.

If he loses or gets somehow booted & someone like Umunna takes over he's going to seem like manna (Umunna?) from heaven to anyone & everyone who won't vote Tory or Corbyn. Esp now that UKIP have been rendered pointless & the libdems haven't yet finished paying for Student Loan Gate....

Now THAT is possible...!

Zxcv_Bnm

Fella wrote: »

If he loses or gets somehow booted & someone like Umunna takes over he's going to seem like manna (Umunna?) from heaven to anyone & everyone who won't vote Tory or Corbyn.

Right, right.

You mean like Neil Kinnock after Foot, then.

seven-day-weekend

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Right, right.

You mean like Neil Kinnock after Foot, then.

Damage already done. It needed someone new, different, centre-left, with charisma and style to get Labour elected again. Blair was the right person for that (not saying I agreed with everything he did afterwards, but at the time loads of people (including me) thought he was Labour's Saviour).

More of the same won't cut the mustard, I'm afraid.

bobbymotors

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Damage already done. It needed someone new, different, centre-left, with charisma and style to get Labour elected again. Blair was the right person for that (not saying I agreed with everything he did afterwards, but at the time loads of people (including me) thought he was Labour's Saviour).

More of the same won't cut the mustard, I'm afraid.

Actually, eventually it will (not Corbyn...he will never be pm) the problem is that the tories will eventually be viewed as a tired govt. that has run out of steam.

But as long as its a centre led labour govt. (and no other is electable, ever) then they can mess up for few years and things will be ok.

Fella

Zxcv_Bnm wrote: »

Right, right.

You mean like Neil Kinnock after Foot, then.

Well no since Kinnock was to the left & also hopeless. The analogy with that would have been if Watson had won yesterday.

Umunna is an infinitely more formidable contender than Kinnock ever was. The only question mark over him is why did he withdraw from the race last year.

bobbymotors

Fella wrote: »

Well no since Kinnock was to the left & also hopeless. The analogy with that would have been if Watson had won yesterday.

Umunna is an infinitely more formidable contender than Kinnock ever was. The only question mark over him is why did he withdraw from the race last year.

yes, he was hopeless, but he wasn't in the same room as Foot or Corbyn in his views.

Umunna would be a much better candidate, but while JC holds the reins and the labour membership vote for the leader he cannot become labour leader.

TrickyTree83

They've killed the party by giving the membership the power to choose.

The demographics of the membership will guide where they pitch their policies. If you pay a lot of tax now, expect more under Corbyn. So not only does he turn soft Labour away into the arms of others, he energises not only those who share his narrow view but also those who oppose it, many with much more resource with which to do so than £25 here and there. Welcome to political extremes, apparently what the Corbynistas want. Effectively a guarantee that they will not win a GE like they are now.

Fella

bobbymotors wrote: »

yes, he was hopeless, but he wasn't in the same room as Foot or Corbyn in his views.

Umunna would be a much better candidate, but while JC holds the reins and the labour membership vote for the leader he cannot become labour leader.

Agreed. And I think a lot of the reason why JC has survived OK so far is that nobody much has gone up against him. The Centrists are playing a dangerous & fairly cowardly game of wanting Corbyn to be the guy who takes the fall at the next election. But by then he could have done who knows how much damage to their party. Clearly he is prepared to risk everything the party has without a second thought & even if it means taking them to oblivion. Bearing in mind his voting record when Blair was in power & his current behaviour its hard to think of a more disloyal party member so it's amusing to hear him talking about the importance of party unity. Of course his definition of party unity is everybody must agree with him.

I wouldn't rule out a Vince Cable-esque sting at some point in his future as he seems to have an eye for the ladeez & definitely gets off on having his ego stroked. Hard to imagine a few editors out there aren't already plotting such things.

.string.

I watched an interview of Corbyn by Andrew Marr today, most of it in stunned disbelief. Corbyn seemed a characture of his reputation, a progression of half-formed ideas untouched by practically. I was particularly aghast by his concept of democracy applied to Labour Party policy.

Most us would go along with a Party's policies being discussed by its members and largely emerging from them. But not that many of us would seriously expect MPs to refer to members each time a new situation arises that needs a change in approach or a be policy on a new subject.

Few of us would accept MPs that don't, even can't, have ideas of their own but have to refer back all the time to a vote from members so the they can follow a "Democratically decided policy".

But that is what Corbyn seems to have in mind. He mentioned that "new technology" would enable quick decisions to be made. He seems to imagine a Government judging their next action on the results of a Poll conducted on Twitter or some such medium, votes duly collected from the grass roots of the party. (*)

Democratic? Yes, probably if everyone took part, but it would just be the activists.

Practical? No way.

It's "Ethel from Bournemouth" gone mad.

(*) I just think this what Cornyn was suggesting, but the interview was so rambling I can't be sure of anything.

Either way, we have been warned.


By the way there were other strange things in that interview. Correction - many other strange things.