An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

redux

westernpromise wrote: »

The Tories are still in the upswing phase. They will be in power until 2030 at least, more probably 2035. This prospect is absolutely glorious and means there can be root and branch reform of everything without concern for short-term consequences.

You say that, but even some strong supporters remarked at a Queen's speech within the last year or so that the programme was very thin and lightweight, and looked like a government bereft of ideas.

Now we suddenly have a new proposal to move some parts of the education system backwards 40 years. Hardly inspiring.

Even the Thatcher government, with its rhetoric about reducing the size and powers of the state, increased public spending and centralised some powers from local to national level.

When there seem to be fewer choices in politics, people lose faith or head to the extremes. Hence the rise of populist or nationalist right movements in several countries.

CLAPTON

redux wrote: »

You say that, but even some strong supporters remarked at a Queen's speech within the last year or so that the programme was very thin and lightweight, and looked like a government bereft of ideas.

Now we suddenly have a new proposal to move some parts of the education system backwards 40 years. Hardly inspiring.

Even the Thatcher government, with its rhetoric about reducing the size and powers of the state, increased public spending and centralised some powers from local to national level.

When there seem to be fewer choices in politics, people lose faith or head to the extremes. Hence the rise of populist or nationalist right movements in several countries.

except for brexit which requires change
what sort of ideas do you want from a government : what fundamentally new things happen each year that require government action

education, e.g. has undergone continuous change by government for my entire life : I am unconvinced that anything much has improved.

bobbymotors

CLAPTON wrote: »

except for brexit which requires change
what sort of ideas do you want from a government : what fundamentally new things happen each year that require government action

education, e.g. has undergone continuous change by government for my entire life : I am unconvinced that anything much has improved.

If it ain't broke don't fix it. The incessant need for new laws is superfluous and un needed.

What needs to be done is to balance the books (it HAS to be done, yes by 'austerity') otherwise the country will eventually be bankrupt.

This will happen to the USA in time too...you can't keep running a huge budget deficit, and although he is insane, Trump is right on this point.

However it will correct itself in time, because as we, the US, or anyone, borrows more, the currency eventually devalues, making imports dearer and exports cheaper, so it ultimately rights itself: but it takes a long long time.

There's an old saying 'you can't buck the market' and you can't. Help to buy for FTB is a great example...give everyone who is a FTB £10,000. The result? Any FTB house is £10000 over priced...except it isn't actually overpriced, it's a market reaction to the available funds. But it sounds good and worthy and so it goes on. Such is life.

JC and McD can use rhetoric to tell us what's wrong - and there's plenty wrong - but they have no costed solutions to correct it. Hence the question 'where's the money Jeremy?'

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Nobody can complain of politics being dull these days.

TrickyTree83

It will be dull after successive conservative governments reduce Corbyn's Labour to ashes and the poor commisars are once again banished to the political wilderness.

michaels

1) Labour are historically weak but this may be partly (largely?) due to the current leadership that could change quickly
2) The Tories do not have a strong parliamentary postion and risk reversals in the commons as well as the lords
3) We are 'not in Kansas anymore' with regards to basing policy on the last election manifesto
4) We have a completely new Tory party senior leadership with a more traditoinal (more right wing) mindset

I would say all that equals a spring election, the Brexit negotiating postion is ample justification for over-riding the 'fixed term' act. MY gues swould b ea March election with a 'Brexit position' manifesto thus putting of article 50 until after the election.

setmefree2

kabayiri wrote: »

Corbyn represents London IMO.

Not so much. Corbyn only won narrowly in London - where Mayor Sadiq Khan has backed his rival - with a 53% to 47% victory.

Conrad

michaels wrote: »

1)

I would say all that equals a spring election,

Mrs May might to well to ensure Corbyn is in place for the 2020 GE, based on the idea he would loose and give her a further 5 years.


If she went next spring and Labour looses, that gives Labour the opportunity to replace him with someone more electable such as Dan Jarvis or Stephen Kinnock, thus more a threat to Tories in 2020.

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You are nuts if you think we don't have the youth vote.

You clearly don't. If the young Labour members don't back Corbyn then "normal" non political youth aren't going to back him.

....And they don't vote anyways.

setmefree2

.string. wrote: »

I watched an interview of Corbyn by Andrew Marr today, most of it in stunned disbelief.

Apparently The Magic Money Tree is going to deliver £500 billion for Corbyn to splurge..... his economic policies are a joke...along with his (no) defense policy