An Evening With... Jeremy Corbyn

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

once again

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now?
where's the money going to come from?
Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories?

Please just answer instead of ranting, it does you no favours, honestly.

Your children and grandchildren are being Corbynised, and we are Corbynising more each week.

If one group is young and growing and the other is old and shrinking, what happens to the eventual balance?

bobbymotors

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Your children and grandchildren are being Corbynised, and we are Corbynising more each week.

If one group is young and growing and the other is old and shrinking, what happens to the eventual balance?

The answer is that the young and growing group grow up, have children, want to see themselves and their children get on in life and their beliefs change from left/ centre left to right / centre right. Always have, always will.

anyway, how about:

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now?
where's the money going to come from?
Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories?

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

The answer is that the young and growing group grow up, have children, want to see themselves and their children get on in life and their beliefs change from left/ centre left to right / centre right. Always have, always will.

anyway, how about:

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now?
where's the money going to come from?
Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories?

Your bus pass, TV license, winter fuel allowance, buy to let portfolio, and overly generous pension will be a start.

bobbymotors

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Your bus pass, TV license, winter fuel allowance, buy to let portfolio, and overly generous pension will be a start.

Ok...I dont have a bus pass, but say there are 10m pensioners with one and they cost £50 a year. That half a billion.

Tv licences,.. free once you're 85, lets say a million of those at £150 each. Thats £150m

Fuel allowance...I'm not old enough to get it, but let's say a million pensioners don't need it as they have enough to live on. Thats £250m. Less the cost of the means testing.

If buy to let was stopped, where would people live? Do you have any space? It would need to be free of charge though, as letting is not allowed. Can't see to many Jeremies having open house TBQH.

I'm not old enough to get an OAP, but, when i do get my £147 a week or whatever it is, I would remind you that to do so I had to pay NIC for 40 years. So if you take that off me, that's theft. Even JC wouldn't steal surely?

Anyway, everything you propose above comes to £900m.

Which, quite frankly, is about 50 times too little.

but, as they say in the good ole USA (who will one day go bankrupt unless they deal with their trade deficit...they will) you do the math.

So:

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now? UNANSWERED
where's the money going to come from? 2% ANSWERED
Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories? UNANSWERED

ruggedtoast

bobbymotors wrote: »

Ok...I dont have a bus pass, but say there are 10m pensioners with one and they cost £50 a year. That half a billion.

Tv licences,.. free once you're 85, lets say a million of those at £150 each. Thats £150m

Fuel allowance...I'm not old enough to get it, but let's say a million pensioners don't need it as they have enough to live on. Thats £250m. Less the cost of the means testing.

If buy to let was stopped, where would people live? Do you have any space? It would need to be free of charge though, as letting is not allowed. Can't see to many Jeremies having open house TBQH.

I'm not old enough to get an OAP, but, when i do get my £147 a week or whatever it is, I would remind you that to do so I had to pay NIC for 40 years. So if you take that off me, that's theft. Even JC wouldn't steal surely?

Anyway, everything you propose above comes to £900m.

Which, quite frankly, is about 50 times too little.

but, as they say in the good ole USA (who will one day go bankrupt unless they deal with their trade deficit...they will) you do the math.

So:

Where has hard left socialism ever worked or is working now? UNANSWERED
where's the money going to come from? 2% ANSWERED
Which 60 seats is the new leader going to capture from the vile Tories? UNANSWERED

Well you're very keen on the free market and don't want socialism at all so you can use private healthcare and stop slumming it with the Red Menace of the NHS.

westernpromise

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Your children and grandchildren are being Corbynised, and we are Corbynising more each week.

If one group is young and growing and the other is old and shrinking, what happens to the eventual balance?

They wise up and vote Tory, mainly.

westernpromise

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes, that's a reasoned and quite probable outcome. Outside of the bubbles these forumites inhabit, the world is changing.

It's getting more like 1983

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

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There's so much trolling around here that the government, Labour (:rotfl:) or Conservative, better be planning on a huge bridge-building programme to house them all.

Night night Rugged.... keep up the good "work" .

(Watch out for the Billy Goats Gruff..... they'll be the end of you!)

WR

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I was going to leave it there, but a quick pre-kip look at the headlines brought up this little gem.....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-results-live-jeremy-corbyn-owen-smith-poll-incompetent-working-class-voters-a7326486.html

Maybe once he has answered the questions by Bobbymotors (as if that's ever going to happen :rotfl:) Rugged could pull some encouragement from that Independent poll and explain why it is actually GOOD news ?

Night night!

:wave:

WR

setmefree2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

And still, the hypocrisy of the boomers and their sour faced champions rings out like a cracked bell.

Ding! We hate socialism.

Dong! The young must stand on their own two feet

Dang! Give us unlimited socialised healthcare

Deng! The government must manipulate the housing market so our homes make us rich.

Dung! We demand winter fuel allowances, free tv licenses, free bus passes, unfunded pensions no matter how rich we are.

Ding! Sell off the state utilities and give us all cheques

Total hypocrites. What you all hate is that Corbyn is threatening to redistribute some of the stage handouts that you've been enjoying for decades over to people that need them.

You are all dead set against socialism, other than the socialism you've been exploiting for yourselves.

Well I hope it was good while it lasted because it's running out.

Quite the post that. It must be awful walking around with so much hate in your heart.

By the way, FYI JC has lost the working class vote.

Jeremy Corbyn is 'out of touch' and an 'election loser' among working class voters, poll finds

Poll for The Independent shows a major disconnect between traditional Labour voters and new Corbyn supporters

Exclusive BMG Research polling for The Independent reveals almost half of the unskilled workers and manual labourers that Mr Corbyn needs in order to become Prime Minister believe him to be “out of touch” and an “election loser”.
More than a third thought him “incompetent” and “naive”, with middle-class voters sometimes holding slightly more positive views of the Labour leader.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leadership-results-live-jeremy-corbyn-owen-smith-poll-incompetent-working-class-voters-a7326486.html

Imagine. A Labour leader who appeals more to a strange strand of the middle classes than the working class.

So all those middle classes voters sitting in their detached houses preaching revolution is Corbyn's vision of a better world.

Doomed I tell ya.