Will Britain really leave EU?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

That's pretty naive. It's possible to have a reasonable idea of the future. I know that if I stab myself in the foot it'll hurt, for instance.

We're not even talking about generally being risk adverse - I'm all for a bit of risk, if the reward is comparible. With Brexit we're talking about HUGE, economy destroying risk, with no idea what the reward could be. We've traded the camper van for the contents of the mystery box.

you could produce some evidence of this nonsense?

what is an 'economy destroying' risk ?

presumbaly all the people of the EU and the world agree with you, so we shall see an immediate total ceasation of immigration as no-one will want to come an destroyed economy

presumably you predict that most of thre 9 million foreigners already here are already selling up and moving to better places?


we will see whether your predicts are true in only a few months.

Herzlos

I'd love to see how your mind works. What nonsense do you mean?

You don't agree that breaking away from your biggest and closest trading partners is an "economy destroying risk"?

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

I'd love to see how your mind works. What nonsense do you mean?

You don't agree that breaking away from your biggest and closest trading partners is an "economy destroying risk"?

Absolutely it's a risk, at 44% of trade, a big but not tragedy inducing risk.

How's that 64% looking?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

I'd love to see how your mind works. What nonsense do you mean?

You don't agree that breaking away from your biggest and closest trading partners is an "economy destroying risk"?

if people agreed with you, don't you think they would already be leaving the UK in their millions and inward movement would have stopped dead?

we will continue to trade with the entire world although some deatils may change (as they do every year)

what percentage change of GDP are you predicting by next July?

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Absolutely it's a risk, at 44% of trade, a big but not tragedy inducing risk.

If we lost 44% percent of our trade, that wouldn't be a tragedy?

What if we lose all foreign investment, foreign workers, City Of London?

How badly do we have to mess this up before we can call it an economy destroying risk?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

If we lost 44% percent of our trade, that wouldn't be a tragedy?

What if we lose all foreign investment, foreign workers, City Of London?

How badly do we have to mess this up before we can call it an economy destroying risk?

there is precisely ZERO risk of this nonsense happening, unless the remain prediction of WW3 occurs

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

If we lost 44% percent of our trade, that wouldn't be a tragedy?

Ah right, so you've gone from saying with reference to an independent Scotland that surely not all the 64% of trade with the rest of the UK would disappear to saying that of course all 44% of EU trade for the UK as a whole would disappear?

Herzlos wrote: »

What if we lose all foreign investment, foreign workers, City Of London?

How badly do we have to mess this up before we can call it an economy destroying risk?

Do you believe we'll lose all 44% of trade with the EU?

Do you believe all the EU migrants that have built a life here will leave?

Do you believe we'll lose all foreign investment?

Do you believe we'll lose all of the financial district in London?

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

If we lost 44% percent of our trade, that wouldn't be a tragedy?

What if we lose all foreign investment, foreign workers, City Of London?

How badly do we have to mess this up before we can call it an economy destroying risk?

Jesus you really are making stuff up as you go along. Yesterday I asked you if you thought all EU trade would stop. Your response was that they would slow down.
Today we've gone to full on economic meltdown.

Get a grip.

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ah right, so you've gone from saying with reference to an independent Scotland that surely not all the 64% of trade with the rest of the UK would disappear to saying that of course all 44% of EU trade for the UK as a whole would disappear?

Do you appreciate why I used the word "risk" in previous posts? You're trying to trip me up here but you don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

Do you believe we'll lose all 44% of trade with the EU?

Do you believe all the EU migrants that have built a life here will leave?

Do you believe we'll lose all foreign investment?

Do you believe we'll lose all of the financial district in London?

Again, what part of "risk" escapes you?

I doubt we will lose all of it, but it's a risk. We've no idea what sort of horrible deal we're going to get.

Can you tell me a single benefit to splitting from the EU to justify the risk?

TrickyTree83

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you appreciate why I used the word "risk" in previous posts? You're trying to trip me up here but you don't seem to understand what I'm saying.




Again, what part of "risk" escapes you?

I doubt we will lose all of it, but it's a risk. We've no idea what sort of horrible deal we're going to get.

Can you tell me a single benefit to splitting from the EU to justify the risk?

Well I voted to leave the EU because I believe we should join the EEA or EFTA, or some other arrangement where we are still members of the single market, still have freedom of movement (not schengen as you'll understand from the other thread) and be able to strike our own trade deals with the rest of the world.

I want to have my cake and eat it. I want free trade with the EU, free trade with Canada, USA, India, China, Brazil, Japan, Russia even. I don't think there should be any trade barriers because the French want to protect their wine, their cheese, or the Spanish or Italians want to protect their tomato growers, or the Germans want to protect their car manufacturers, or for any other reason. I don't believe in protectionism at all. Yourself as a libertarian (as you mentioned in the other thread) should understand this view.