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Will Britain really leave EU?
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setmefree2 wrote: »I know tech people who voted Leave because of the downward effect FM is having on their salaries.
You can't really blame FM for having a downward effect on salaries. While I'm sure there are companies that use cost cutting to make a healthy profit, a lot of companies are doing it so they can stay in business providing cheaper products. If you force wages to increase by cutting out immigration, then that just fuels inflation & it ends up a zero sum game.
If you are scared that someone will do your job just as well but for half the price, then maybe you don't deserve to get what you're getting already. The expectation that you'll be rewarded by an ever increasing wage packet is unrealistic. White british privilege is coming to an end because we can't invade, steal and enslave countries any more.
Immigrants will travel to a completely new town to find work, unemployed white british people won't move to another town to find work. It's socially acceptable to be unemployed because "someone else" hasn't done enough to provide you with a job.
There is a word for people who think it's ok to prevent people from competing for the same job down to what country they were born in, it begins with an r.....
I voted remain but I'm hoping we leave quickly so we can get on with re-joining the EU in ten years time.
Software outsourcing to other countries is generally just as disastrous to outsourcing to contractors in Britain. You want to find people that are going to have to live with what they produce for years to come (I'm not sure I'd hire graduates though).0 -
Immigrants will travel to a completely new town to find work, unemployed white british people won't move to another town to find work. It's socially acceptable to be unemployed because "someone else" hasn't done enough to provide you with a job.
There is a word for people who think this: it begins with an r.....0 -
Immigrants will travel to a completely new town to find work, unemployed white british people won't move to another town to find work. It's socially acceptable to be unemployed because "someone else" hasn't done enough to provide you with a job.
Absolutely.
Did you see the TV interviews with people in Hartlepool?
The census shows them to be 97.9% White British, so max 2.1% immigrants, though many of those are likely to UK born. They blame their woes on immigrants, say that immigration was a major part of what steered their votes, and they voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
Software outsourcing to other countries is generally just as disastrous to outsourcing to contractors in Britain. You want to find people that are going to have to live with what they produce for years to come.
Agreed. The problems are the same through you have fewer problems with bad English skills when outsourcing overseas!(I'm not sure I'd hire graduates though).
Our graduate programme is the best thing we ever did. Loads of people (including at times myself) grumbled when the policy came in, but within 1-2 years all were "converts". We still do experiences hires for replacements and some new roles, but constantly bringing in bright young people prevents the company "ageing" and keeps our skill base sharp.
I now do a bit of outside "angel investing" and mentoring of startups, and yes, 30+ years experience counts for a lot, and they value it. But boy are they smart and energetic!
BTW, first thing I did at one company that's 100% software was toagree with a decision they were close to making for themselves, which was to onshore and inhouse some pre-existing development. I'm also helping to formalise their recruiting and (of course) start a university programme.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Absolutely.
Did you see the TV interviews with people in Hartlepool?
The census shows them to be 97.9% White British, so max 2.1% immigrants, though many of those are likely to UK born. They blame their woes on immigrants, say that immigration was a major part of what steered their votes, and they voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.
This was a 'revolution' that came from the chippy queue in places like Grimethorpe not the deli counter at some metropolitan Waitrose.
I don't think you`ll ever understand.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
gadgetmind wrote: »Absolutely.
Did you see the TV interviews with people in Hartlepool?
The census shows them to be 97.9% White British, so max 2.1% immigrants, though many of those are likely to UK born. They blame their woes on immigrants, say that immigration was a major part of what steered their votes, and they voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.
The UK population also misjudged the scale of migration by something like 400% (in that there were a quarter of the migrants they thought there was).
Sadly, a lot of people who've never knowingly met an immigrant believe that without them their wages will go up. I can understand where they are coming from, but I'm not convinced the end result will be what they are expecting.0 -
I don't think you`ll ever understand.
On that we can agree.
Someone told me I needed to "get inside the minds of leave voters" but I immediately had flashbacks to Clarice Starling and it put me right off the idea.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
I'm not convinced the end result will be what they are expecting.
Many thought that anyone not White British would leave immediately, so I'm pretty sure you're right.I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.
Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.0 -
The UK population also misjudged the scale of migration by something like 400x (in that there were a quarter of the migrants they thought there was).
Sadly, a lot of people who've never knowingly met an immigrant believe that without them their wages will go up. I can understand where they are coming from, but I'm not convinced the end result will be what they are expecting.
I voted to leave, not on the basis of immigration but on being able to negotiate trade deals with other countries independently. I'd also like to retain single market access, freedom of movement or immigration isn't really an issue for me. My wife is an immigrant. EEA membership would be great.
Wages would rise if workers in this country were in demand. If as a rather large economy we were able to straddle both the EU single market and the rest of the world in free trade I believe we could become a global hub of free trade. At least that's what I would like out of all this.0 -
The UK population also misjudged the scale of migration by something like 400x (in that there were a quarter of the migrants they thought there was).
Sadly, a lot of people who've never knowingly met an immigrant believe that without them their wages will go up. I can understand where they are coming from, but I'm not convinced the end result will be what they are expecting.
-round 40% of people living in London are foreign born
-it is undoubtedly true that wages would be higher in London if there were fewer immigrants to provide a wall of cheap labour.
-undoubtedly housing conditions would be much better with fewer people
-undoubtedly transport etc would be less crowded.
Its probably different in Hull.
what do a the UK population think ?0
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