Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

Cornucopia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Now you have to ... justify why it was the right one, not only for you but for them.

No we don't.

You really need to understand this democracy business a little better. I (as a voter) am not accountable to you or anyone else for my democratic choices.

I think we are all waiting.

You'll get over it.

Cornucopia

mystic_trev wrote: »

Great film.

Don't they overturn the ageist oppression in the end, and all live to grow old poorer but wiser?

MPD

Pro-remain so feel free to disagree on that basis if you will.

What I object to is the "headline" of this thread. Anger grows? Whose anger, why is it growing with time and not subsiding as people start to get on with it?

This is a classic Daily Mail literary device designed to engender support for the argument. You should be on this side, its the popular choice, its going somewhere. A bit like take back control.

Loanranger

I wonder how many British younger folk were going to want to find work in the EU when they are fluent in only one language and when Dutch, Belgians and so on are fluent in at least three?
Luxembourgers are taught in both French and German. That means their teachers speak in French or in German while teaching them physics or maths etc. The Luxembourgers also speak English as well Luxembourgish.

So the boomers have hardly robbed anyone of their futures, have they? It's just a soundbite for the sheeples to seize upon and fuel hatred.

Cornucopia

MPD wrote: »

What I object to is the "headline" of this thread. Anger grows? Whose anger, why is it growing with time and not subsiding as people start to get on with it?

It is a common RuggedToast device to create these propagandist thread titles.

This one is an excellent example of the dark art:

- "Anger grows" as you say, suggesting a direction of movement amongst, well, who? and to what end? Grows how - in severity or in number of adherents to the self-pitying nonsense?

- "Boomers" - a potentially discriminatory attribution of blame (one that has a questionable basis in fact).

- "Vandalism" - a value-laden and negative way to describe a legitimate democratic process.

7 little words of spiteful, divisive propaganda.

BobQ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Comfortable, affluent, with unlimited healthcare, juicy state and private pensions, and unearned housing wealth that would please an African dictator. Who wouldn't want to be a babyboomer, the generation that rode the sweet spot of an ever growing economy with vast capital appreciation for decades?.........

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I voted Remain, because it was in the best interests of the UK. I made that judgement after a lot of research and thought. Many who voted could not be bothered.

We had politicians who spent decades seeing the worst in the EU and failing to emphasise the benefits, so we are where we are.

As to the Boomers, your criticisms are unfair. You may be correct about the outcome, but I doubt any of those boomers, when they set out, planned for the outcome.

They often left school at 15. They worked hard, many got apprenticeships, some got white collar jobs that offered security and pensions, they saved for houses and got lucky. Many retired people, would have loved to have the experience of university but the pressures were to get a job, You had to be very lucky as a working class lad/lass to have parents who could afford to let you study beyond 15, let alone get a university pace.

But the point is they never planned it and it is unfair to criticise them.

That said, I agree that many of the over 60s have been quite selfish in voting Leave when younger people clearly did not want it. But they have a point that if more under 40s had bothered to register and bothered to vote this would probably never happened.

Crashy_Time

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Comfortable, affluent, with unlimited healthcare, juicy state and private pensions, and unearned housing wealth that would please an African dictator. Who wouldn't want to be a babyboomer, the generation that rode the sweet spot of an ever growing economy with vast capital appreciation for decades?

In fact what could possibly be better for them? A country shorn of decades long links at the heart of Europe, wrenched from the international community, isolated and in many ways a laughing stock of the world, apparently.


Some boomers react to Brexit

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jun/27/brexit-family-rifts-parents-referendum-conflict-betrayal






Young people now will only be able to tell their children about what it was like being part of the European family

Markets are crashing, billions have been wiped from company balance sheets and firms are scrambling to redeploy from the UK.

But for the young this further straitening of their economic situation is not the worst thing. They had got used to being burdened with £50k debts to go to university while the generations ahead of them went for free. They accepted unpaid internships and zero hours contracts and the fact that when they do eventually get to retire, the state pension will likely not exist. Gone the way of free TV licenses, bus passes and prescriptions that their taxes fund for already wealthy pensioners today.

The worst thing is the total removal of opportunity. Until a large section of the public marched to the ballot on Thursday and joyously smashed to pieces a way of life that has kept us prosperous and at peace for decades, things were different.


For most young people the idea of the EU was a powerful message of hope and aspiration, now replaced by ugly invective over immigrants - source Wiki - By Diliff - Own work, CC BY-SA 2.5, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2067974

A kid could be born in Huddersfield and live and work anywhere in the EU. If they wanted to be a waiter in Rome, lovingly painting the Arch of Constantine on their days off, they could do so. If they wished to go to Berlin and work in a newspaper with their penniless Bavarian artist boyfriend that they could also do.

None of this affects the affluent, the wealthy, the already powerful. The Tory politicians and their children will continue to zip between London, New York and Bonn, vaguely aware that there are some kind of visas that need to be arranged by their personal assistants and HR departments.

Retirees also, will continue their summer pre-school holiday peregrinations around the South of France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. A cavalcade of air conditioned motor homes passing through borders, comfortable in the ignorant illusion that "nothing has changed." - save for the inconvenient weakness of the pound.



But for the young people who now find themselves trapped on a small island - with no automatic right to live work or settle anywhere else in the world. Everything has changed and they will never have the future back that they had last week.

The Boomers have often been named "The Selfish Generation". But this decision they have made will not be ignored or forgotten. They have fundamentally changed the lives of every age group below them, against their wishes.

Now they need to find some way of proving that they made the right decision.

And not just the right decision for themselves.

Give it up mate, you are just making a fool of yourself.

Cornucopia

BobQ wrote: »

That said, I agree that many of the over 60s have been quite selfish in voting Leave when younger people clearly did not want it.

I had no idea the young were so keen on the EU. They certainly kept it quiet up to now.

Scarpacci

Loanranger wrote: »

I wonder how many British younger folk were going to want to find work in the EU when they are fluent in only one language and when Dutch, Belgians and so on are fluent in at least three?
Luxembourgers are taught in both French and German. That means their teachers speak in French or in German while teaching them physics or maths etc. The Luxembourgers also speak English as well Luxembourgish.

So the boomers have hardly robbed anyone of their futures, have they? It's just a soundbite for the sheeples to seize upon and fuel hatred.

I think this idea that the British youth not only had vast opportunities to work and study in Europe, but routinely used those is a metropolitan view biased by their middle-class, well-to-do ability to afford sending their kids on unpaid internships in Paris or to study for a year in Berlin.

I think you'd see the same split down the country if you looked at typical 18-24 year olds in areas like Hartlepool, Burnley or Dudley and their actual ability to partake in this grand European project. They will not typically have had these much vaunted chances to go work or study in Europe. But apparently what's important is the loud, over-represented Glastonbury clique of well-off young Europhiles.

There was also a misconception among the young, at least from certain news reports I saw, that Brexit has ended their opportunity to holiday in Zante and go clubbing in Ibiza.

silverwhistle

CLAPTON wrote: »

more toxic toastie hate campaign against his parents / grandparents / aunts/ uncles and everyone that helped him when he was growing up.
We will probably never know why he so full of hatred but I'm sure some professional advice would help.

Come on toxic toastie : go see a doctor

That's funny. I've never particularly noted that poster, but have always thought of you as a bit toxic, and smug and patronising to boot.