Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

silverwhistle

Scarpacci wrote: »

I think you'd see the same split down the country if you looked at typical 18-24 year olds in areas like Hartlepool, Burnley or Dudley and their actual ability to partake in this grand European project.

Why not? If they want to progress in the UK they'll be paying £9K a year at university anyway. Lots of courses taught in Europe in English at _much_ cheaper prices. I suppose you'll blame the middle classes if they use those opportunities, but it's not their fault if some other people have such limited horizons and lack of confidence.

Cornucopia

silverwhistle wrote: »

Why not?

Absolutely... why not? But they tend not to for probably a wide range of practical, personal, financial and educational reasons.

However, that was not the point. Or in other words, who is going to get upset at MAYBE losing the opportunity to do something that they didn't want to do in the first place?

ruggedtoast

silverwhistle wrote: »

That's funny. I've never particularly noted that poster, but have always thought of you as a bit toxic, and smug and patronising to boot.

He is also, grossly obese. A real bloater. Just imagine it.

globalds

Generali wrote: »

TBH I think it's mostly because they hate living around foreigners.

Then you are wrong

globalds

silverwhistle wrote: »

That's funny. I've never particularly noted that poster, but have always thought of you as a bit toxic, and smug and patronising to boot.

That is because you are Biased towards a certain side of the argument ..You permit behaviour on none side and won't tolerate it on the other.

Blue22

silverwhistle wrote: »

Why not? If they want to progress in the UK they'll be paying £9K a year at university anyway. Lots of courses taught in Europe in English at _much_ cheaper prices. I suppose you'll blame the middle classes if they use those opportunities, but it's not their fault if some other people have such limited horizons and lack of confidence.

Think it's more to do with finance. It's way easier if the BOMAD pays you a generous yearly allowance to cover your living costs

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/international/studying-overseas/funding-overseas-study/

For individuals who want to take an entire degree overseas, the financial situation becomes a bit more difficult. Student loans are not available via the Student Loans Company for students who plan to study outside the UK.
Most EU countries do have some type of scheme that provides loans and financial aid to students, however these are not usually open to students from other member states. EU rules state that students from other member states are entitled to access universities for the same tuition fees as domestic students, but countries are not obliged to provide financial assistance on the same basis unless individuals have been living in the country for at least five years prior to beginning study.

SingleSue

Cornucopia wrote: »

I had no idea the young were so keen on the EU. They certainly kept it quiet up to now.

Not in my house but then that is what you get when you have an 18 year old autistic young adult whose obsession is with political history (and computers). Or a 22 year old philosophy/film student who was a junior member of a political party.

The only really quiet one was the 19 year old musician but then that might be because he couldn't get a word in edgewise so just played music instead! :rotfl:

*They all voted on the day though....

ruggedtoast

The Leave Campaign lied about the consequences of voting us out of Europe. Enthusiastically supported by the right wing press.

Remember that Murdoch openly said he wants Britain out of the EU because their media regulation means he can't develop the monopoly over their newspapers and TV that he has in the UK.

David Cameron's flat footed and artless campaign to keep us in failed to frame any of the positive benefits of the EU to young people, and unlike in Scotland he didn't have the Daily Mail to promote Project Fear.

If young people had been told that leaving meant:

- No automatic right to live travel and work in EU member countries
- No right to study in EU universities
- The probable end of the Erasmus grant which funds university exchanges and paid graduate internships
- The probable end of English as the lingua franca of Europe, and therefore their only competitive advantage against multi lingual Europeans
- The further erosion of labour laws which are their only chance of getting careers rather than a succession of zero hours contracts

Then their vote would have been different.

You can't accuse young people of being callow and politically disengaged, then feed them tonnes of slurry and misinformation about a political issue and then complain that they didn't vote.

TrickyTree83

They may well yet get a 2nd referendum.

Jeremy Hunt is standing for Conservative party leadership on a ticket of holding a 2nd referendum.

Interesting conundrum, on the one hand probably the most hated Tory out there at the moment, on the other hand the opportunity to overturn a democratic vote.

Choices, choices.

Cornucopia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If young people had been told that leaving meant:

- No automatic right to live travel and work in EU member countries
- No right to study in EU universities
- The probable end of the Erasmus grant which funds university exchanges and paid graduate internships
- The probable end of English as the lingua franca of Europe, and therefore their only competitive advantage against multi lingual Europeans
- The further erosion of labour laws which are their only chance of getting careers rather than a succession of zero hours contracts

Then their vote would have been different.

In what way? More would have voted? Or those that did vote (mostly Remain) would have changed their vote.

There seems to be some confusion in your position. Are you now saying that young people were the key to the Leave victory, and it was nothing to do with "evil Boomers"?

You can't accuse young people of being callow and politically disengaged, then feed them tonnes of slurry and misinformation about a political issue and then complain that they didn't vote.

This doesn't really make sense. In the first place, this generation is uniquely placed to obtain knowledge about the World, and also uniquely placed to share it online. Why didn't that happen, until suddenly, mere minutes after the result, it did?

Isn't the truth that many young people didn't vote through apathy and lack of understanding of the issues? And, yes, I accept everyone else's failings in not helping them through that.

And isn't it true that the moment of enlightenment immediately after the result is partly because of their own complacency, regarding the EU as an ever-present uber-Nanny-State in their lives whilst conveniently forgetting that other people thought otherwise?