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Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism
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ruggedtoast wrote: »No. Voting Leave was definitely wrong.
What was wrong was the referendum process.
If you want a clear plan then develop a good process which means starting with a solid business case.
Asking people a simple question and then trying to make all sorts of complex value judgements from the simple answer is STUPID.
If you want to know if people want more immigration or less ; where it should come from ; how it should be controlled ; who ultimately should determine the control ; then ASK THEM THE FLIPPIN' QUESTIONS. Last I checked it wasn't illegal to ask people a load of questions.
Politicians won't do this, because they are frightened about the answers they might get.0 -
What was wrong was the referendum process.
If you want a clear plan then develop a good process which means starting with a solid business case.
Asking people a simple question and then trying to make all sorts of complex value judgements from the simple answer is STUPID.
If you want to know if people want more immigration or less ; where it should come from ; how it should be controlled ; who ultimately should determine the control ; then ASK THEM THE FLIPPIN' QUESTIONS. Last I checked it wasn't illegal to ask people a load of questions.
Politicians won't do this, because they are frightened about the answers they might get.
This.
It's precisely why not all leave voters are:
- racist
- against immigration
- xenophobic
- little englanders
etc...
The leave side is divided in opinion because the remain side already had a template set out by government, the same government gave no template for leave. Then remain supporters would ask the leave campaign for a plan, like a manifesto when it wasn't ever going to happen because it's not that kind of vote.0 -
Your thoughts on my being wrong are yours.
Yes they are and I believe that I have a reasonable professional opinion that is backed up by market movements over the last couple of days
My thought are that i am right. I voted to see more equality globally. Im not stupid, i know this will cost me money. Im not a money grabber. Im sick of being guilty living the life i do when so many are denied it whilst being too weak to freely give it up. If you seriously think the EU was the 'right' way of going about things whilst bleeding the world dry i believe you are deluded.
You can call me racist or whatever but it is for the love of humanity that i voted. The realisation that i am so unbelievable privileged and the acceptance that i have little power to control myself in the world we live. The only chance ive ever had to influence worldwide equality, damn right im going to take it, dont care if im 'wrong' and dont care if my neighbours lose out, i feel its about time we did (been called selfish for that from someone who was on their phone and regularly shows of their new cars). Look after yourself and stop relying on others to give you the life you live.
I didn't call you racist. I did say you are wrong because, in my professional opinion, you are. IMHO the UK has made the worst decision since Suez.
If you are willing to give up some income in order to be out of the EU then fair enough but you should be aware that you have imposed that on a lot of other people. Set against democracy should be avoiding the tyranny of the majority.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »Yeah, stupid libraries.
The reason that Welsh regions are poor has nothing to do with the eu and everything to do with Tory austerity. Planned austerity that has decimated working class communities with a hurricane of neoliberalism.
Outsourced jobs, decimated unions, huge cuts in education, Sure Start, health.
what have the wlesh communities done to help themselves?Left is never right but I always am.0 -
ruggedtoast wrote: »No. Voting Leave was definitely wrong.
At the risk of repeating myself, your repeating yourself. Youve mentioned this a lot in the last few days and completely contradict the point that generalli suggests about me that "The implication of your post is that others should accept your wisdom, nod and move on. If you want people to do that then you should stop being wrong quite frankly."
You dont have to accept anything from me, all you have to do is accept democracy. By all means try and reject it but ill warn that youll destroy the foundations of your arguments.0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »This.
It's precisely why not all leave voters are:
- racist
- against immigration
- xenophobic
- little englanders
etc...
The leave side is divided in opinion because the remain side already had a template set out by government, the same government gave no template for leave. Then remain supporters would ask the leave campaign for a plan, like a manifesto when it wasn't ever going to happen because it's not that kind of vote.
The Leave campaign made three key promises.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/eu-referendum-reality-check-leave-campaign-promises
Two of them were directly related to immigration.0 -
Yes they are and I believe that I have a reasonable professional opinion that is backed up by market movements over the last couple of days
I didn't call you racist. I did say you are wrong because, in my professional opinion, you are. IMHO the UK has made the worst decision since Suez.
If you are willing to give up some income in order to be out of the EU then fair enough nut you should be aware that you have imposed that on a lot of other people. Set against democracy should be avoiding the tyranny of the majority.
The price you pay for living in a democracy, the majority will always impose their will over the minority.
Its horrible being on the wrong end of it.
Maybe if everyone received the same educations and the same benefits then theyd share the same views.0 -
The price you pay for living in a democracy, the majority will always impose their will over the minority.
Its horrible being on the wrong end of it.
Maybe if everyone received the same educations and the same benefits then theyd share the same views.
Absolutely not.
One of the points of living in a democracy is that we don't suffer the tyranny of the majority, we don't find that being blonde is illegal because 50%+1 people have brown hair.0 -
Yes they are and I believe that I have a reasonable professional opinion that is backed up by market movements over the last couple of days
I find it surprising that anyone with a 'reasonable professional opinion ' would use a few days data to support a long term economic policy.0 -
Yes they are and I believe that I have a reasonable professional opinion that is backed up by market movements over the last couple of days
And now they've got over it and they're moving up again.0
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