Anger grows at The Boomers EU vandalism

ruggedtoast

spadoosh wrote: »

@generalli and @ruggedtoast. I know your free to do what you please but are you not ready for some timeout from the internet? I cant imagine your enjoying yourselves arguing with people you think are stoopid when they are pretty easily able to gloat and walk off leaving you in your rages. Out of curiousity did you spend this much time discussing the matter with people on the street? Had you, you mightve encouraged more to your way of thinking.

Ive always found it incredibly difficult to have a reasoned discussion on the internet and the chances of you changing someones argument osnt even worth a punt.

Did you get lost on your way to the Coupon and Discount Vouchers Board?

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

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Anyway, there simply isn't the kind of job security in the UK now to go back to the apprenticeship route.

So show me how "you" value British product; British values; British interpretations of value.

..or you could look at where your laptop was designed; where it was made; same for your phone; same for your entertainment system.

At least some of us demonstrate our commitment to quality and longevity over fashion in all products.

I'm tired of people slagging off British people as workshy low achievers. You probably don't think they notice, but they do.

ukcarper

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Older voters have always turned out in higher numbers than younger ones. The older voters now also massively outnumber younger voters.

But you are rather missing the point, unsurprisingly. Older people have voted for a future for young people that the young people do not want, that is not in their interests, and the older people will not live to see. Largely, as far as I can see, due to an anger about immigration that isn't shared by many people outside of their own age group.

There are about 30% more people between 18 and 40 than boomers and remember 40% of boomers voted remain.

Going4TheDream

ruggedtoast wrote: »

At the time Blair was in power the generational decline was beginning. This should have meant that FE colleges and universities responded by laying off staff and closing courses.

However this wouldn't have helped New Labour's election prospects so they increased demand to cover supply.

Actual population growth is now hitting the sector again, but we now exist in a world where employers want someone to do data entry and expect a graduate to fill the role.

It is very disappointing for everyone. Many kids who go to university now are first generation. Both they and their parents think that going to university will lead to a good job, and are utterly bewildered at their graduate prospects.

Few of them have an understanding of the glass ceiling you hit, and how fast you hit it, if you graduate in a non traditional subject from a Post 92 institution. Of course they will have the same level of debt as if they'd gone to Cardiff to read Physics.

I don't want to knock post 92s. Many of them are excellent. But they just can't offer the route into a middle class life that many working class kids think that they can. Because the facts are that CVs from Southampton go in one pile and Southampton Solent go in another, and it doesnt matter how hard you have worked or how good your 1st is.

So why do many young people continue to identify with (or vote for) the very politics that effectively sold them down the river and yet continue to blame the older generation?

ruggedtoast

kabayiri wrote: »

So show me how "you" value British product; British values; British interpretations of value.

..or you could look at where your laptop was designed; where it was made; same for your phone; same for your entertainment system.

At least some of us demonstrate our commitment to quality and longevity over fashion in all products.

I'm tired of people slagging off British people as workshy low achievers. You probably don't think they notice, but they do.

I was't slagging off British people. I was pointing out that there isn't a lot of job security for them.

But that isn't the fault of the EU.

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I was't slagging off British people. I was pointing out that there isn't a lot of job security for them.

But that isn't the fault of the EU.

I don't believe the EU was ever going to cure our collective ills.

When you watch how the EU has supported poor regions in Wales they show a trite statue or point to a new library centre. What about real jobs; a real focus on the future.

IMO the real innovation, the really exciting product development, is happening outside the EU.

Generali

spadoosh wrote: »

@generalli and @ruggedtoast. I know your free to do what you please but are you not ready for some timeout from the internet? I cant imagine your enjoying yourselves arguing with people you think are stoopid when they are pretty easily able to gloat and walk off leaving you in your rages. Out of curiousity did you spend this much time discussing the matter with people on the street? Had you, you mightve encouraged more to your way of thinking.

Ive always found it incredibly difficult to have a reasoned discussion on the internet and the chances of you changing someones argument osnt even worth a punt.

I enjoy discussing economics. I do it for a living and I do it with some of my free time. I argue my case lucidly and mostly without emotion.

I don't really care whether you change your mind or not, I do enjoy arguing the toss. If you don't then you might wonder why you're here. The implication of your post is that others should accept your wisdom, nod and move on. If you want people to do that then you should stop being wrong quite frankly.

ruggedtoast

kabayiri wrote: »

I don't believe the EU was ever going to cure our collective ills.

When you watch how the EU has supported poor regions in Wales they show a trite statue or point to a new library centre. What about real jobs; a real focus on the future.

IMO the real innovation, the really exciting product development, is happening outside the EU.

Yeah, stupid libraries.

The reason that Welsh regions are poor has nothing to do with the eu and everything to do with Tory austerity. Planned austerity that has decimated working class communities with a hurricane of neoliberalism.

Outsourced jobs, decimated unions, huge cuts in education, Sure Start, health.

spadoosh

Generali wrote: »

I enjoy discussing economics. I do it for a living and I do it with some of my free time. I argue my case lucidly and mostly without emotion.

I don't really care whether you change your mind or not, I do enjoy arguing the toss. If you don't then you might wonder why you're here. The implication of your post is that others should accept your wisdom, nod and move on. If you want people to do that then you should stop being wrong quite frankly.

The last few days look like theyve been pretty emotional. I argue on the basis that nothing is 'right' or 'wrong' but merely there is an interpretation of right and wrong.

Your thoughts on my being wrong are yours. My thought are that i am right. I voted to see more equality globally. Im not stupid, i know this will cost me money. Im not a money grabber. Im sick of being guilty living the life i do when so many are denied it whilst being too weak to freely give it up. If you seriously think the EU was the 'right' way of going about things whilst bleeding the world dry i believe you are deluded.

You can call me racist or whatever but it is for the love of humanity that i voted. The realisation that i am so unbelievable privileged and the acceptance that i have little power to control myself in the world we live. The only chance ive ever had to influence worldwide equality, damn right im going to take it, dont care if im 'wrong' and dont care if my neighbours lose out, i feel its about time we did (been called selfish for that from someone who was on their phone and regularly shows of their new cars). Look after yourself and stop relying on others to give you the life you live.

ruggedtoast

spadoosh wrote: »

The last few days look like theyve been pretty emotional. I argue on the basis that nothing is 'right' or 'wrong' but merely there is an interpretation of right and wrong.

Your thoughts on my being wrong are yours. My thought are that i am right. I voted to see more equality globally. Im not stupid, i know this will cost me money. Im not a money grabber. Im sick of being guilty living the life i do when so many are denied it whilst being too weak to freely give it up. If you seriously think the EU was the 'right' way of going about things whilst bleeding the world dry i believe you are deluded.

You can call me racist or whatever but it is for the love of humanity that i voted. The realisation that i am so unbelievable privileged and the acceptance that i have little power to control myself in the world we live. The only chance ive ever had to influence worldwide equality, damn right im going to take it, dont care if im 'wrong' and dont care if my neighbours lose out, i feel its about time we did (been called selfish for that from someone who was on their phone and regularly shows of their new cars). Look after yourself and stop relying on others to give you the life you live.

No. Voting Leave was definitely wrong.