2.2 milion (so far) sign petition calling for 2nd EU referendum.

globalds

cells wrote: »

my view is the leave side should get a deal in place within 3 months. then the country should go back to the vote and vote on

Stand for parliament ..Make it a single issue

Sapphire

winter100 wrote: »

The world and all different cultures and people are a fascinating mix. Isolating your self only robs you

I agree – but I don't agree that leaving the EU means isolating yourself at all. The Leave campaign said all along that it wanted to admit people from other countries. It only said this should be done in a measured way according to a points system like Australia's, so that Britain would be taking in people who are useful to the economy, and who do not cause problems for us.

Given there are such huge disparities between affluent and poor nations, you simply cannot admit everyone to the former without damaging its economy, causing social problems and having huge effects on the infrastructure. And it's all very well to say that more of the latter needs to be built – but that would have to be at the expense of the taxpayer, and would mean concreting over too much of our land, too quickly…

kinger101

Apparently, the person who created it was anti-EU. But because it's gibberish, people are now interpreting as being pro-EU.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683410/EXCLUSIVE-The-VOTE-LEAVE-backer-whose-petition-could-inadvertently-derail-the-Brexit

cells

globalds wrote: »

Stand for parliament ..Make it a single issue

I think by the time the deal is clear half of the out voters wont be fully happy with it. you yourself might find the fine details of the out deal does not sit well with you

globalds

cells wrote: »

I think by the time the deal is clear half of the out voters wont be fully happy with it. you yourself might find the fine details of the out deal does not sit well with you

Is there ever a choice made where there are not moments when people don't always feel happy ?

Of course the transition is going to be hard ..those who voted exit new that.

But we have confidence in the choice we have made ..the power to control our own destiny . or at least go to the negotiating table without our hands tied and also with our best interest at heart means the future is not us becoming a powerless satellite.

zagubov

Maddermanblue1 wrote: »

I didn't say a spoiled vote would count as a vote, I'm saying if your at the voting booth you are more likely to vote properly rather than spoil it as you are there anyway, either way its their choice to spoil it or not - its their right.

This reminds me of a competition where you phoned three premium rate numbers, for yes, no and don't care. Kind of thought the third one was a bit of an idiot-detector TBH.

I can just about see why someone could spoil an election ballot paper and think they're making a statement. In a referendum situation it looks more like an admission you'd be out of our depth in a car park puddle.

cells

globalds wrote: »

Is there ever a choice made where there are not moments when people don't always feel happy ?

Of course the transition is going to be hard ..those who voted exit new that.

But we have confidence in the choice we have made ..the power to control our own destiny . or at least go to the negotiating table without our hands tied and also with our best interest at heart means the future is not us becoming a powerless satellite.

the out voters were voting on a general principle but the details of the actual deal will have to be more than a general principle. when the details are out i am confident that a third of the out voters will be quite unhappy with it to the point that they would change their vote. On the the other hand some in voters will also change their mind to out once they see a deal but the figure will be much smaller.

The uk should vote on the actual deal once its known.


As for your last sentience its a joke i presume. The uk within the EU would have by mid century possible taken the lead economically and politically within the EU. Germany demographics are poor and its going to enter a decline (already has lost about 2 million people since peak population in 2004). Also with the UK the EU would have tended towards english as its primary language that would have entrenched more wealth and business to the uk. anyway all that is long term and possible pointless debating at this juncture.

globalds

cells wrote: »

the out voters were voting on a general principle but the details of the actual deal will have to be more than a general principle. when the details are out i am confident that a third of the out voters will be quite unhappy with it to the point that they would change their vote. On the the other hand some in voters will also change their mind to out once they see a deal but the figure will be much smaller.

The uk should vote on the actual deal once its known.


As for your last sentience its a joke i presume. The uk within the EU would have by mid century possible taken the lead economically and politically within the EU. Germany demographics are poor and its going to enter a decline (already has lost about 2 million people since peak population in 2004). Also with the UK the EU would have tended towards english as its primary language that would have entrenched more wealth and business to the uk. anyway all that is long term and possible pointless debating at this juncture.

The only part I can agree on is the " What If " part.

I have my suspicions that the French and Germans might well have not stood still and watched our European empire build up without a small amount of resistance.
And If I was to hazard a guess from my own experience I would say language will not be a dominant issue over the next few years .

The world is changing very quickly ..I have my doubts that Europe as it is can keep up with the changes ..Reacting rather than acting is how I would define the European model.

Kim_13

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-referendum-claims-petition-for-second-referendum-is-rigged-as-it-storms-past-two-million-a3280971.html

Apparently there are more votes from Vatican City (ineligible to vote) than members of their population!

mrginge

I'm struggling with what's best here. I mean on the one hand we've had a clearly set out and debated national referendum, with widespread encouragement of the electorate to sign up and vote, a structured vote process overseen by the electoral commission and access available to all those (not just resident voters) who which to make their opinion heard.

On the other we have a badly written piece of text, approved by no-one, dumped onto a corner of the Internet, unmanaged and open to abuse.

I just can't decide which of these is the most appropriate method of deciding government policy.