2.2 milion (so far) sign petition calling for 2nd EU referendum.

mrginge

chewmylegoff wrote: »

We'll see - the outcome is not certain yet. The result is not legally binding and if public opinion overwhelmingly shifts against Brexit there are still opportunities to row back especially given that a significant majority of MPs declared for remain. I expect there will be some new opinion polls soon; that may tell us whether there is noisy sour grapes or whether there really is an underlying about turn in the electorate.

Have you not realised that using opinion polls is not a particularly accurate method.

chewmylegoff

globalds wrote: »

Oh come on ..

You know it doesn't work like that ..

The decision has to be final otherwise why vote ..Remember when Brexit aired the notion that a vote out might be an opportunity to negotiate with a much stronger hand ..And the Remainers poo poo'd it .

We all knew at that point it was a vote to leave ..It was ..WE chose the option to leave ..Can you now move on ..This is becoming embarrassing act like an adult and deal with the world holding a different view to your own.

I'm just airing what I think the possibilities are from here. The most likely possibility is that Brexit ensues but it is not a done deal and there is a chance that it won't happen depending on how things progress. I've cited my view here before that I don't think it will make much difference either way so I actually don't care much how it pans out.

if public opinion becomes strongly opposed to leaving the EU it is difficult to see why the govt would ignore that just because pro-Brexiters, now in the clear minority, said it was unfair. Politicians do what they think will prolong their careers as politicians - the tories strongly opposed introducting a minimum wage yet now are championing it being increased beyond Labour's targets, for instance. This isn't because they are principled.

One extreme possibility which would be quite amusing is that a pro-Brexit govt invokes article 50 but then gets deposed shortly afterwards and replaced in a general election by a pro-Remain govt with an overwhelming electoral mandate which tries to withdraw the article 50 request to leave and is told by the EU that there is no going back; however, they will accept an application for new membership under article 49 to happen concurrently with the exit under article 50 as long as Britain agreed to joins the Euro.

Crashy_Time

Maddermanblue1 wrote: »

I didn't say a spoiled vote would count as a vote, I'm saying if your at the voting booth you are more likely to vote properly rather than spoil it as you are there anyway, either way its their choice to spoil it or not - its their right.

It is also their right to abstain, in a democracy. It is not their right to take resources and infrastructure without contributing, in a democracy.

CLAPTON

the_flying_pig wrote: »

Blind, largely misinformed voting on the basis of a campaign with no official leader and that consists of a motley assortment of lies that haven't been written down anywhere is hardly, I'd suggest, a shining example of the D word.

obviously you wouldn't have allowed a vote atall and you would have called that a shining example of democracy : lots of fascists would agree with you

Crashy_Time

Second referendum, Scottish Referendum, no decisive government, no P.M, Irish referendum, seriously we are heading for the mother of all stock market/property crashes if it keeps up.

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patman99 wrote: »

Thing is, this is actually the highest ever numbe of signatures on an official Govt. E-petition. The Govt. have no choice but to debate it as their rules on petitions state that 'over 100,00 signatures will trigger a debate'.

We have had some pretty serious e-petition subjects over the years, but none has had such a response in such a short time.

How many petitions can you name that got over the 100,000 signatures that actually triggered a debate? The rule is that such a number would trigger a discussion about a debate.
I suppose in theory we might see 16 million demanding a second referendum, personally I'd just call them bad losers and tell them to sod off

winter100

patman99 wrote: »

Over 2.2 million people have signed a petition caling for the Govt. to hold a 2nd EU referendum vote.

This is down to the closeness of the result.

I actually agree with this as it was not a huge majority, but only something like 4%. The PM should have set the barr at 60% when he set the wheels in motion all those weeks ago. At least then the result would have had to have been a large majority rather than a small one.

For the record, I voted 'out'.

As an aside, my Italian co-workers were talking about the growing anti-EU movement in Italy and predict that Italy will hold a referendum within 2 years.

The reasons being that they would prefer to be part of a balanced EU with every country having an equal say in how things are run, rather than being in an EU where the Germans seem to be gaining greater strenght and influence.

Up to 2.5 Million now. Yes I understand that this petition may not be debated as it is asking for retrospective legislation. However after the sudden quietness from the Exit Camp who said it would be wonderful (Boris). I wish there had been a bar at which the status quo would change in many countries and parliaments there has to be a 60 to 70% where constitutional issues are at stake. When you take the voting figures less than 650,000 would have to have changed from leave to remain for a different outcome. That I believe that is not enough of a margin for such a momentous decision. Also as I am now hearing from news report and friends and families many voted out just as a protest not expecting leave to win. Parliament could vote this down as legally a referendum is only advisory but this would be after more signs of crisis or inability of the Leave team failing to do anything constructive. I voted Remain as I care about the future of our children and grandchildren.

CLAPTON

winter100 wrote: »

I voted Remain as I care about the future of our children and grandchildren.

and people voted leave because they care about the future of their children and grandchildren

chewmylegoff

venison wrote: »

How many petitions can you name that got over the 100,000 signatures that actually triggered a debate? The rule is that such a number would trigger a discussion about a debate.
I suppose in theory we might see 16 million demanding a second referendum, personally I'd just call them bad losers and tell them to sod off

According to this, as at March 2015, 32 out of 37 which crossed the 100,000 threshold were debated:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2015-03-05a.1075.10

Of course a debate can just be a meaningless discussion with a tiny number of MPs present in the chamber...

Bonfire_Bride

winter100 wrote: »

Up to 2.5 Million now. Yes I understand that this petition may not be debated as it is asking for retrospective legislation. However after the sudden quietness from the Exit Camp who said it would be wonderful (Boris). I wish there had been a bar at which the status quo would change in many countries and parliaments there has to be a 60 to 70% where constitutional issues are at stake. When you take the voting figures less than 650,000 would have to have changed from leave to remain for a different outcome. That I believe that is not enough of a margin for such a momentous decision. Also as I am now hearing from news report and friends and families many voted out just as a protest not expecting leave to win. Parliament could vote this down as legally a referendum is only advisory but this would be after more signs of crisis or inability of the Leave team failing to do anything constructive. I voted Remain as I care about the future of our children and grandchildren.

Who knows what will happen...it appears the government are just as clueless. To suggest that pro-brexit individuals do not care about the future of their children/grandchildren however, is likely to ruffle a few feathers. Understandably.