A Brexiters view

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

Could you give an example of what such changes might be? Could you give some examples of some previous changes that affected your life negatively?

The issue that faces the EU is the total imbalances that exist. For the EU to survive. The wealthy Northern states will have to transfer money south. Or people will simply migrate for economic. Much as in the early 1900's. Except back in those days the US had open borders. Henry Ford was happy to employ cheap labour from Germany, Poland etc. The UK is full of Nimby's. As long as they are lining their pockets financially there's little care for the longer term. grab a bigger share of the cake as you can then relocate to some struggling cheap European country. Not a model for social stability. Nationalism has been the cause of strife in Europe over hundreds of years. First signs of rising smoke are beginning to be seen. The socialist ideals aren't enough to bound unconnected people together.

CLAPTON

jimibaboza wrote: »

I looked it up, last year a whopping 4 votes were held in the commons to do with the EU, out of 121. Not exactly an overbearing ogre is it? In terms of time, the average MP has spent more time commuting to Westminster than dealing with Europe.

whatever does the number of votes in the common have to do with the number of EU migrants that come to the uk or th resultant presure on housing, NHS resources school etc.
whatever relevance to the level of external tariffs or to our ability to determine our own VAT rates or the working time directive or expelling foreign criminals
..........or anything atall

mayonnaise

wymondham wrote: »

I think we need to worry more about how the EU reacts to us if we stay. A vote in is a mandate for full steam ahead with the EU project. I suspect we'll get to learn fairly quickly about a number of new changes which have been withheld until after the vote. Just a cynical hunch!

What are they going to do?
Force us into the euro? Impose compulsory adoption of 1 Turk per UK household? Obligatory removal of all motorway signs not in kilometers?
What exactly are you afraid of and why do you think a UK government couldn't just say 'No' to anything we don't wish to sign up to?

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

What are they going to do?
Force us into the euro?

Remain still very concerned about exchange rates. It's not as if they don't change daily in an event.

BobQ

spadoosh wrote: »

Ive yet to meet anyone who can trump my argument for brexit.

Why did you move out of your parents house when the likelihood was that you would be worse of?

If you can give an answer that supports the remain arguments i will quite happily change my views.

I dont care about financial wealth, i dont care about immigration, i dont care about 'rights'. I care about looking after myself and i care about my pride. I suppose this is covered by the 'democratic' side of the argument but i just cant see how keeping the status quo brings about the change i believe the UK and the ROW need to make. Im a tiny cog in a massive machine and im sick of going round in circles. Screw the status quo, time for me to vote for changes.

So you are a selfish person, loads of them about.

So you think that a vote for Brexit will stop us going round in circles (whatever that means), you do not need brains to believe in something.

You no doubt identify with the belief that being directionless (if that is what you believe), is best replaced with following a clear direction. The tragedy is that the direct you are being lead is the wrong direction.

Looking after yourself alone makes sense to you, but you will not escape the recession we would enter by leaving.

Thrugelmir

BobQ wrote: »

Looking after yourself alone makes sense to you, but you will not escape the recession we would enter by leaving.

Why does remaining make the UK immune to recession? The EU has youth unemployment of over 18%. This a lost generation. Easy fodder for political parties on the extremes of society. History does repeat itself. As the lessons of the past get forgotten.

Carl31

I don't get why anyone would want to be part of an organisation that claims to be economically beneficial for its members yet in its time has created a economically split region, causing some of inhabitants to feel the need to leave there homes to seek a better life, whilst causing upset to other members for that same reason. Some of its members our now worse off than they have ever been , from which the financial contagion will eventually result in a problem for all members, if it manages to continue

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why does remaining make the UK immune to recession? The EU has youth unemployment of over 18%. This a lost generation. Easy fodder for political parties on the extremes of society. History does repeat itself. As the lessons of the past get forgotten.

Of course it doesn't, but we are currently scraping ourselves back to a period of growth. Whe do something deliberately to make it worse?

Even Farage agrees it will get worse.

BobQ

Carl31 wrote: »

I don't get why anyone would want to be part of an organisation that claims to be economically beneficial for its members yet in its time has created a economically split region, causing some of inhabitants to feel the need to leave there homes to seek a better life, whilst causing upset to other members for that same reason. Some of its members our now worse off than they have ever been , from which the financial contagion will eventually result in a problem for all members, if it manages to continue

We are better off than 40yrs ago when we joined. The EU has been good for us.

Kohoutek

wymondham wrote: »

Its a hunch so no, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if bad news is coming after the vote if we stay in. Maybe something along the Turkey front or changes to contributions etc?

Turkey will not join the EU in the foreseeable future and probably never (it made its application for membership in 1987). For Turkey to join the EU, each member state would have to agree. Germany is and always has been against Turkey joining the EU. Turkey is also currently drifting towards a dictatorship (Erdogan).

So it really isn't worth worrying about Turkey.