A Brexiters view

Fellwalker

spadoosh wrote: »

Ive yet to meet anyone who can trump my argument for brexit.

Why did you move out of your parents house when the likelihood was that you would be worse of?

If you can give an answer that supports the remain arguments i will quite happily change my views.

I dont care about financial wealth, i dont care about immigration, i dont care about 'rights'. I care about looking after myself and i care about my pride. I suppose this is covered by the 'democratic' side of the argument but i just cant see how keeping the status quo brings about the change i believe the UK and the ROW need to make. Im a tiny cog in a massive machine and im sick of going round in circles. Screw the status quo, time for me to vote for changes.

What?
When I left my parents house it was with their blessing, and their continued support. They helped me to find my own two feet, supported my choice of career and marriage. They always said that I should ask if I needed help. That is NOT what Brexit is about.
I'm so very sorry for you if you left in a huff, and had your parents bickering over whether to let you come back for the weekend, or help you to buy your first car, or come to your wedding. For that is Brexit.
Supposedly according to Brexit we'll be able to negotiate trade deals - BUT 27 member countries that you have just insulted by leaving have to agree to the deals.

TrickyTree83

Fellwalker wrote: »

What?
When I left my parents house it was with their blessing, and their continued support. They helped me to find my own two feet, supported my choice of career and marriage. They always said that I should ask if I needed help. That is NOT what Brexit is about.
I'm so very sorry for you if you left in a huff, and had your parents bickering over whether to let you come back for the weekend, or help you to buy your first car, or come to your wedding. For that is Brexit.
Supposedly according to Brexit we'll be able to negotiate trade deals - BUT 27 member countries that you have just insulted by leaving have to agree to the deals.

It would be rather immature to feel slighted by the population of the UK if we voted to leave the EU. Would we feel slighted by Germany if they decided to leave? I wouldn't, if that's what they want to do fair play to them. We'll still want to buy their cars so we wouldn't put tariffs on them.

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

I was just thinking the other day, why is it antidisestablishmentarianism not antidisestablishmentism - could it just be an attempt to be the longest word in the dictionary?

you wasted your time at cambridge

spadoosh

Fellwalker wrote: »

What?
When I left my parents house it was with their blessing, and their continued support. They helped me to find my own two feet, supported my choice of career and marriage. They always said that I should ask if I needed help. That is NOT what Brexit is about.
I'm so very sorry for you if you left in a huff, and had your parents bickering over whether to let you come back for the weekend, or help you to buy your first car, or come to your wedding. For that is Brexit.
Supposedly according to Brexit we'll be able to negotiate trade deals - BUT 27 member countries that you have just insulted by leaving have to agree to the deals.

Right so what your saying is that the EU might be nobs about this? And thats a reason to stay?

I just want to be able to decide what goes on in my house without next door sticking their tuppeneth in. Ill give him a hand cutting back his trees, he'll lend me a bowl of sugar occasionally, he will not decide what happens in my house.

Dont care about deals, if they want to sell to us/buy off us good, if not lets do it cuban style. Dont care if im worse off financially, i cant imagine that GB will suddenly become sadistic nutters and start trying to abuse rights etc.

Self sufficiency is the goal, we are utterly reliant on the EU, what happens if she dies? Dont think she has big inheritance to share.

mwpt

spadoosh wrote: »

Right so what your saying is that the EU might be nobs about this? And thats a reason to stay?

I just want to be able to decide what goes on in my house without next door sticking their tuppeneth in. Ill give him a hand cutting back his trees, he'll lend me a bowl of sugar occasionally, he will not decide what happens in my house.

You are never going to get what you want unless you become an independent state of Spadoosh. Once again, London voted Labour, got a Tory government. The people who voted Greens get Tories telling them how to live and what happens in their house.

The whole "we want more democracy" thing is a farce because when it comes to it, people don't really have a clue which EU laws or UK laws are shaping their lives except for what the paper of the day decides to tell them. If no paper made an issue about it, you'd never even notice.

wymondham

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It would be rather immature to feel slighted by the population of the UK if we voted to leave the EU. Would we feel slighted by Germany if they decided to leave? I wouldn't, if that's what they want to do fair play to them. We'll still want to buy their cars so we wouldn't put tariffs on them.

I think we need to worry more about how the EU reacts to us if we stay. A vote in is a mandate for full steam ahead with the EU project. I suspect we'll get to learn fairly quickly about a number of new changes which have been withheld until after the vote. Just a cynical hunch!

mwpt

wymondham wrote: »

I think we need to worry more about how the EU reacts to us if we stay. A vote in is a mandate for full steam ahead with the EU project. I suspect we'll get to learn fairly quickly about a number of new changes which have been withheld until after the vote. Just a cynical hunch!

Could you give an example of what such changes might be? Could you give some examples of some previous changes that affected your life negatively?

dktreesea

I think we'll vote to remain, even if in England there's a majority who want to leave. It's not just about the EU per se. It's about the lesser of two evils. I don't trust the conservatives to look after the interests of ALL the British people. Look at what has happened to disabled people. What cretin (George Osborne and Iain Duncan Smith both qualify) chooses to screw the most vulnerable in the society?


Having said that, if those who therefore want to remain (not because we think being in the EU is any good but because trusting our fate to the excesses of the Conservatives, without the restraining hand of the EU to curb those excesses is a horrible alternative) don't get out and vote, we will end up with a vote for Brexit.


That's always been the problem for Labour rather than the Conservatives, i.e. convincing their supporters to get up out of their armchairs and vote. I would think Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland will all vote overwhelmingly to remain in Europe.


So to everyone out there who is poor, disabled, sick. Remember how the Conservatives are treating you. Without the EU that treatment will get a lot worse. Do you want the NHS privatised? I don't. We should be one of the world's leading ship builders. Instead, thanks to Thatcher's lack of support that industry has all but gone.


If you want Britain to remain in the EU then you had better be bothered to vote, because you can be sure that Brexit supporters are highly motivated to vote, and there are plenty of them, enough to carry us out on the EU if you don't bother to vote.

wymondham

mwpt wrote: »

Could you give an example of what such changes might be? Could you give some examples of some previous changes that affected your life negatively?

Its a hunch so no, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if bad news is coming after the vote if we stay in. Maybe something along the Turkey front or changes to contributions etc?

jimibaboza

In order for Turkey to join the EU, all 28 member states will need to ratify the treaty in their own Parliament. Under the current political climate, the chances of it going through in the UK (to say nothing of the other countries) are very, very slim. So Turkey joining the EU is a no go.

I looked it up, last year a whopping 4 votes were held in the commons to do with the EU, out of 121. Not exactly an overbearing ogre is it? In terms of time, the average MP has spent more time commuting to Westminster than dealing with Europe.

The brexit team seem to think that everything will be alight if we just leave Europe, despite the fact that this is plainly cobblers. If the UK wants to avoid paying tariffs to export stuff to the EU it will need to join the EEA and what is the condition of joining that group? Freedom of movement of all EU citizens of course. Norway and Switzerland (the poster childs of the brexit campaign) both have to allow EU citizens to works and stay in their country. They do get something in return for this but it is not the magic solution in which the UK gets to trade for free while not being subject to any EU laws.