A Brexiters view

spadoosh

Ive yet to meet anyone who can trump my argument for brexit.

Why did you move out of your parents house when the likelihood was that you would be worse of?

If you can give an answer that supports the remain arguments i will quite happily change my views.

I dont care about financial wealth, i dont care about immigration, i dont care about 'rights'. I care about looking after myself and i care about my pride. I suppose this is covered by the 'democratic' side of the argument but i just cant see how keeping the status quo brings about the change i believe the UK and the ROW need to make. Im a tiny cog in a massive machine and im sick of going round in circles. Screw the status quo, time for me to vote for changes.

Generali

CLAPTON wrote: »

wrong and meaningless as is increasingly the case, when the holy EU is at issue

Rubbish. You said:

do you support both Tebbitt and the EU view of how the unemployed should behave or neither or only one?

which very clearly shows a false dichotomy between being a Remainiac and hating on Lord Tebbit.

Good use of the homophone though

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

don't be a coward : give us your views

is it wrong to suggest that Uk based people should either travel or even move to get a job?

is it wrong to suggest that people in Greece, Spain, Portugal etc should travel thousands of miles to get a job?

are you proud of the EU that 8/9 years after the financial meltdown the level of unemployment in many EU countries is so high.

I thought I did? go back and read

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

don't be a coward : give us your views

is it wrong to suggest that Uk based people should either travel or even move to get a job?

is it wrong to suggest that people in Greece, Spain, Portugal etc should travel thousands of miles to get a job?

are you proud of the EU that 8/9 years after the financial meltdown the level of unemployment in many EU countries is so high.

I blame that on the Euro which encouraged those countries to live above their means and then when the SHTF to have no control over remedies that could have helped. Then again the UK is not a member of the Euro thanks GB

Generali

StevieJ wrote: »

I blame that on the Euro which encouraged those countries to live above their means and then when the SHTF to have no control over remedies that could have helped. Then again the UK is not a member of the Euro thanks GB

Wasn't it JM that negotiated the opt-out at Maaaastriccccht(sp?)? GB simply decided not to give it up.

StevieJ

Generali wrote: »

Wasn't it JM that negotiated the opt-out at Maaaastriccccht(sp?)? GB simply decided not to give it up.

OK credit where credit is due, thanks JM and GB I wonder why the Brexiteers seem to hate those two

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

I thought I did? go back and read

so you don't want to clarify them so they are clear


on the matter of the massive levels of the unemployed in the EU 8/9 years after the financial downturn you write

It allows them to come and work here, where unemployment is at a 10 year low and wage growth is kicking in

which seem to endorse the idea of having to get on your bike and travel a few thousand miles to a foreign country, rather than solving the problem in their own locality.


and on the matter of people in the UK moving down the road you write

As sick as your revered Thatcher government? 'Remember On yer bike' Norman Tebbit? Or indeed Brexit campaigner Ian Duncan Smith?

which seems to be critical of expecting people to move or even travel to get a job: and there does seem a less than friendly reference to Tories.



So, I think that it is not unreasonable to say, you fully approve of the policy of the unemployed moving thousands of mile if supported by the Eu but hate the policy if supported by Tories.

wymondham

mwpt wrote: »

Completely untrue. You can vote for UKIP.

You mistake what democracy is. The democracy you should be familiar with is voting in a government who then make decisions on your behalf. You do not get to vote or influence many decisions at all. If you are one of those who voted Green Party, how democratic does the UK feel to you under your judgement system of the EU being undemocratic?

So, if everyone voted UKIP at the next election they would get into power...?

Generali

StevieJ wrote: »

OK credit where credit is due, thanks JM and GB I wonder why the Brexiteers seem to hate those two

I do think that JM was highly underrated as PM. In any country that wasn't as pointlessly class-ridden as the UK he'd be a hero, proof that hard work and gumption could take you from Brixton to Downing Street. What a story!

The Brits ended up criticising his wife for freezing cheese rinds. Sheesh.

He was a very good President of Surrey County Cricket Club and wrote an amazing book on the history of cricket.

Oh well, the Barstewards seem to have come back to bite the Tories on the bum.

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

I blame that on the Euro which encouraged those countries to live above their means and then when the SHTF to have no control over remedies that could have helped. Then again the UK is not a member of the Euro thanks GB

The euro is the official policy of the EU elite and is mandatory for new members.

Why join a club like that?
Why stay a member of a club that keeps the young unemployed when there is a ready remedy of disbanding the euro?


And I have frequently given Gordon Brown full credit for rejecting the majority opinion of the Uk great and good and most of the political parties plus several international bodies.