A Brexiters view

StevieJ

mwpt wrote: »

Completely untrue. You can vote for UKIP.

You mistake what democracy is. The democracy you should be familiar with is voting in a government who then make decisions on your behalf. You do not get to vote or influence many decisions at all. If you are one of those who voted Green Party, how democratic does the UK feel to you under your judgement system of the EU being undemocratic?

True, our super democratic government don't seem too keen on PR

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

You would think the older folk would remember what the UK was like before EU entry. Were they not known as 'the sick man of Europe' ?

Yes there was a view that the UK was under preforming in the 60/70s due to the communists / trots in the trade unions. (3 day week, garbage, car workers, miners strikes etc.

I guess some like you, Moby, Mayo Rugged etc give the credit for crushing the Unions to the EU but most people think it was Thatcher's government that fought the battle and won.

One does wonder though, how Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy etc can possibly be suffering such high unemployment levels and economic stagnation when they have the strength of the EU around them.

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

True, our super democratic government don't seem too keen on PR

is there an up swell of support for electoral report from the people?
the last attempt was massively rejected by the people.

however, if there was strong grass routes support for change then it would be likely to happen : the benefit of a democratic system

missbiggles1

CLAPTON wrote: »

Yes there was a view that the UK was under preforming in the 60/70s due to the communists / trots in the trade unions. (3 day week, garbage, car workers, miners strikes etc.

I guess some like you, Moby, Mayo Rugged etc give the credit for crushing the Unions to the EU but most people think it was Thatcher's government that fought the battle and won.

One does wonder though, how Spain, Portugal, Greece, Italy etc can possibly be suffering such high unemployment levels and economic stagnation when they have the strength of the EU around them.

Those of us who were there at the time know that it was the Thatcher government who did this - that's why her name is a curse and her legacy is the ruin of our society.:(

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

Yes there was a view that the UK was under preforming in the 60/70s due to the communists / trots in the trade unions. (3 day week, garbage, car workers, miners strikes etc.

I guess some like you, Moby, Mayo Rugged etc give the credit for crushing the Unions to the EU but most people think it was Thatcher's government that fought the battle and won.
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That has worked out well for the working man/women:(, lucky that we have the EU to champion the cause of not only the working people but consumers as well :T

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

That has worked out well for the working man/women:(, lucky that we have the EU to champion the cause of not only the working people but consumers as well :T

I'm a little unsure about how well the EU elite are championing 'the working people' of Greece and Spain and Portugal and Italy etc but I'm sure you are going to explain how they have helped achieve low unemployment only 9 years after the financial meltdown.

StevieJ

CLAPTON wrote: »

I'm a little unsure about how well the EU elite are championing 'the working people' of Greece and Spain and Portugal and Italy etc but I'm sure you are going to explain how they have helped achieve low unemployment only 9 years after the financial meltdown.

It allows them to come and work here, where unemployment is at a 10 year low and wage growth is kicking in

British unemployment rate decreased to 5 percent in the three months to April of 2016 from 5.1 percent in the previous five periods. It is the lowest figure since October of 2005 as the number of unemployed fell to a 7-year low, the employment rate remained a record high 74.2 percent and pay growth picked up.

Average weekly earnings for employees in Great Britain in nominal terms increased by 2.0 percent including bonuses and by 2.3 percent excluding bonuses compared with a year earlier.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Filo25

The interesting thing for me about the Brexit campaign, has been how its moved from being about democracy and control to being very strongly about immigration in the eyes of the voting public.

It has in short become much more of a UKIP than a Conservative campaign in terms of which messages have been effective, and if we do vote to Leave, that may have "interesting" implications for the UK going forwards.

This has the potential to be another sea-change in British politics along the lines of the 1979 GE, it may well end up leaving us with a much more populist and nationalist political landscape going forwards.

CLAPTON

Filo25 wrote: »

The interesting thing for me about the Brexit campaign, has been how its moved from being about democracy and control to being very strongly about immigration in the eyes of the voting public.

It has in short become much more of a UKIP than a Conservative campaign in terms of which messages have been effective, and if we do vote to Leave, that may have "interesting" implications for the UK going forwards.

This has the potential to be another sea-change in British politics along the lines of the 1979 GE, it may well end up leaving us with a much more populist and nationalist political landscape going forwards.

interesting post
I think everyone sees the 1979 election as a turning point in our prosperity and the period when we changed from the 'sick man ' of europe and set us on the road to being one of the most progressive and successful countries in the world.

lets hope brexit provides a similar thrust forward and so enbracing the whole world rather than a stagnating inward looking isolated europe.

CLAPTON

StevieJ wrote: »

It allows them to come and work here, where unemployment is at a 10 year low and wage growth is kicking in



http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

interesting

so you judge the success of the EU by the number of young people forced to leave their homes and families due to unemployment.

frankly I think that is rather sick.
I suppose quite modest in the context of a loony labour leadeship that thinks killing 40-50 million Chinese is a price worth paying for 'socialism'.