A Brexiters view

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Most people under 40 will be voting to stay in. The children you're voting on behalf of, they mostly want to stay in. When these younger people get up and go about their days, they don't walk, drive or commute to work thinking how bad their life is because the UK couldn't lower VAT on a sanitary product or how bendy their bananas in their bag are. All they know is a UK that has prospered inside the EU and want this to continue.

It is mostly the older folk voting out, for reasons that you stated above, which in almost every practical sense make very little difference to most people's lives.

I largely agree that the young will probably either not vote or vote stay.
In many ways that is fair as they are the ones that suffer low wages due to the flood of cheap labour and they are the ones that suffer poor housing because of the 9 million foreigners that need to live somewhere too.
Turkeys voting for Christmas but that may be democracy.

Generali

wymondham wrote: »

thanks for the reply.

How can the EU be democratic when all parties here support it? I have no means of voting against any EU policy..

I know it wont solve the immigration issue immediately, but it puts into place the means our Government can at least regain control of our borders in the future - it gives us future choices we wont otherwise have.

Nothing is perfect, but at least the Australian model tries to address a problem.

Well different parties support different policies wrt the EU plus you get to vote for representatives in the EU Parliament too. Then if you want out altogether there's UKIP plus in effect the Tories at the last election.

The Aussie system tries to address the problem but does it badly and introduces distortions, expense and silly rules.

wotsthat

I love how democracy always makes it to number one on these lists.

Who do people think they're kidding?

kabayiri

I believe in Freedom of Opportunity to apply for jobs across Europe, but not Freedom of Movement.

I don't think 77,000 people should turn up in another country without an economic plan.

Apparently though, some Euro politicians have deemed this "principle" to be a red line, so I am left with just a nuclear-style button marked Leave/Remain.

When you boil down a complex choice to a simple response, you leave yourself open to variable interpretation across the country.

Rinoa

When you vote for an MEP you can vote Labour, Con, Lib-Dem, UKIP, Greens, SNP.

If the UK voted for every one of their 72 MEPS to be from just one of the above parties the EU and the laws it makes would not change one iota.

You can call it democracy if you want but we may as well vote for 72 chimpanzees for all the difference it makes.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

I love how democracy always makes it to number one on these lists.

Who do people think they're kidding?

Its really stupid that people have fought and died for what they considered independence and democracy

probably they were only kidding

mayonnaise

Good post, OP.
Don't agree with most of it, but it's refreshing to see a brexiteer composing a coherent post.

Spidernick

Generali wrote: »

As a Remainiac I disagree with your points.

1. I don't believe the EU is undemocratic as it is really a collection of the decisions of the democratic countries that are members of the EU. It's pretty hard for some Eurocrat to run off and start making serious decisions that impact on people's day-to-day lives. In fact I believe the Standing Orders put into most UK legislation are far more undemocratic than the EU.

2. Even if there is a problem with immigration, which I don't think there is but completely accept that many do, then I don't believe that quitting the EU will 'solve' it. Australia, which people point to as the way forward, has much more rigid rules on migration and yet has higher rates of migration than the UK.

What the Aussie rules do is leave people open to exploitation for example 7-11 forced students to work over their allowed 20 hours/wk with unpaid overtime in breech of minimum wage laws. They then threatened to tell immigration authorities about this breech and have then deported. As a result, students were being paid for 20 hours a week at the minimum wage and then working 60-70 hours.

I have no belief that leaving the EU will reduce immigration in the short or long term.

Good post, but please don't use the term 'Remainiac'. Like 'Remainian' (as used by Farage) it is supposed to be a derogatory term, whereas those on the Leave side like to refer to themselves as 'Brexiteers'. This sounds far more romantic and positive, like the flamboyant 'Musketeers', with the irony being, of course, that these were French!

StevieJ

mwpt wrote: »

Most people under 40 will be voting to stay in. The children you're voting on behalf of, they mostly want to stay in. When these younger people get up and go about their days, they don't walk, drive or commute to work thinking how bad their life is because the UK couldn't lower VAT on a sanitary product or how bendy their bananas in their bag are. All they know is a UK that has prospered inside the EU and want this to continue.

It is mostly the older folk voting out, for reasons that you stated above, which in almost every practical sense make very little difference to most people's lives.

You would think the older folk would remember what the UK was like before EU entry. Were they not known as 'the sick man of Europe' ?

Mr_Costcutter

Spidernick wrote: »

Seriously?!

Well on the Savings and Investment Board at least lol