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The EU: IN or OUT?
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If, and it's a big if, the U.K. Doesn't have to contribute to the eu budget then there is a large amount of money to be spent, whether on NHS, farming, regional development or whatever.
As I stated earlier the focuses in Germany seems to be on the uk contribution to the eu budget, there's no one else to pay the billions that the uk wouldn't be contributing and the Germans certainly don't want to be picking up even more of a bill.
I think food prices will rise but also think this is a good thing. We need to have food security and teh proportion of average soend on basic groceries is now a fraction of what it was a few decades ago.
The real uk problem is house prices and rent, a reduction in this would solve so many problems, from earnings to housing benefit and overall a more equitable society.
Even if a reduction in immigration were to occur and there were more employment available at the lower end of teh scale it would be interesting to see the reaction of many. It would hopefully solve some of the issues around zero hours contracts, but to be hinest there are sections of society that do very well out of benefits, particularly when if you include housing benefit there are still families that would need the main person to be earning £35k or more to be better off than on benefits, when taking tax into account. This for many people who have little in the way of qualifications, experience or skills.
'Not worth me working' is a phrase that can be heard, which questions the need for some form of workfare scheme as well.
It's all very well complaining about immigration, but the native population will then need to do their work, and many Brits don't like the idea of doing work in farming or basic labouring.0 -
Well we can do, seeing as people only said that some of that money could be spent on the NHS, not that it would be
"We send the EU £350m per week. Let's fund our NHS instead"
I would say that this gives the distinct impression that the full £350m would go to the NHS. Perhaps technically not but it's clearly the impression that they were trying to give. Completely dishonest if you ask me.0 -
If, and it's a big if, the U.K. Doesn't have to contribute to the eu budget then there is a large amount of money to be spent, whether on NHS, farming, regional development or whatever.
No there isn't / won't be, what's so difficult?
The only way we are ever going to have that situation at all is if, and this really is a big if, we can somehow over come, replace or restore the trading problems this idiotic decision has foisted on the country once we're out of the EU.
The alternatives are even more mountains of debt and/or even more severe cuts to public services, as if we haven't had those already.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0 -
No there isn't / won't be, what's so difficult?
The only way we are ever going to have that situation at all is if, and this really is a big if, we can somehow over come, replace or restore the trading problems this idiotic decision has foisted on the country once we're out of the EU.
The alternatives are even more mountains of debt and/or even more severe cuts to public services, as if we haven't had those already.
Who knows, it's all up for discussion.
Also with the accusation we are so uk focused, the market problems have been just as volatile elsewhere as in the uk. In fact many of the market problems, both in equity and debt have been general concerns about uncertainty, so what we've seen is a flight to safety. Southern Europe has been affected more than the uk; the us, Japan and Germany less so because they are perceived to be less risky and of higher quality than the uk.0 -
If, and it's a big if, the U.K. Doesn't have to contribute to the eu budget then there is a large amount of money to be spent, whether on NHS, farming, regional development or whatever.
Logically, any savings would be eaten up by a reduced tax intake and trade tariffs, I would think.
Just have to see how it plays out I suppose.Total - £340.00
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Logically, any savings would be eaten up by a reduced tax intake and trade tariffs, I would think.
Just have to see how it plays out I suppose.
Possibly we'll have to see.
My understanding is that if we don't agree a trade deal with the eu then things will fall back onto wto rules. Personally I was uncomfortable with not having a seat at the wto given that the uk is the fifth biggest economy in the world.
It's interesting people in finance now being so concerned about the uk car industry, all the people who have said manufacturing is dead in the uk. With specific reference then we're still a net importer of cars, maybe people should be showing their loyalty to the country by buying nissans, Toyotas and Hondas.0 -
Well done. You can do it when you try........ When the effects of the economic calamity this has unleashed start to work their way through the system there is a very good chance the ongoing NHS sell off will have to go wholesale, which will of course please Boris and his cronies no end. .....
However the "economic calamity" is no more than your assumption presented as a fact and the "NHS sell off" sounds to be another of your hobby horses.
Remainers are always keen to point out that lots of experts forecast a downturn in the economy but generally the experts put a percentage onto it, an error range around it and it was a reduction in future growth rather than the present level of the economy. So "economic calamity" is you using short brexit style slogans - only not a brexit one - to paint a picture. Your picture is no more honest than theirs - or Osbornes.
As for the NHS, it is genuinely a money blackhole. However much money we put into it there will always be more that can be done to improve peoples lives and all of us should be happy about that. However, it is a financial nightmare. I am not advocating selling it off at all. It still stays a money blackhole and extra efficiency (or not) does not change that. Someday somebody is going to have to be clever and brave enough to solve the financial problem it presents. I am not holding my breath until that moment comes.0 -
Yes the markets have re-gained a bit, and a bit versus the Euro, because the Bank of England has pumped in £3.1 billions of "our money" into it...
And regarding relocating, most of them already have other factories in the EU, like Toyota in Belgium and France and Nissan in Spain, it will be a mix of increase production, contract out some (like the Ford Ka being produced in Fiat's Polish factory), and brand new factories build thanks to EU grants...
Blutto does not deserve any more reply (renting to 10 people ... Seriously), not all in the leave camp are of that level, but he surely is...
A new hope line to write down: "More companis will come because the UK will give them better deals" (I add) to access their unique 60 million customers... , wishful thinking. Good that hopefully this thread will stand the test of time and we will come back and we will discuss the dynamic economy that would have magically appeared. In the main time be ready to pay even more taxes and increased goods prices0 -
"We send the EU £350m per week. Let's fund our NHS instead"
I would say that this gives the distinct impression that the full £350m would go to the NHS. Perhaps technically not but it's clearly the impression that they were trying to give. Completely dishonest if you ask me.
You've almost argued against yourself there with "perhaps technically not".
Whilst I believe that neither side were fully honest during the debate, I really dislike the fact that some people are now blaming Farage/Johnson etc. for "going back on their pledges" when none we made.
As I said before, the language being used will have been very specific, and people either didn't understand that or are deliberately misunderstanding it (a bit like the 'Leavers' who thought that voting out meant that the UK would suddenly start kicking out Polish people...)0 -
The poor of this country have just voted to blow their own brains out, economically, and are now waiting for the trigger to be pulled, whether they realise it or not.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0
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