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The EU: IN or OUT?
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EnglishMohican wrote: »Do you genuinely not understand that voters did believe that a severe and self impose recession is going to happen (including some on various of these forums)
Maybe the experts will be right for once, maybe not. But at least we do not have an immediate budget with higher taxes and cuts in services as some predicted.
the only reason we are not having an emergency budget is for political reasons. It would be voted down. So all we are doing instead is adding to the national debt, with the money being pumped into the banking system.
this is wrong, and simply saving up more problems for our children to deal with.Total - £340.00
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Maybe from the £350 million extra a week we will now have. .
You mean the £350m we don't have and won't have in future either as it was never a valid number.
As below, unlike the bus it was displayed very prominently with a far more explicit pledge. Quite staggering that a few days after the vote was won it can be dismissed. You might also think the result could be ignored in the same way."We send the EU £350m per week. Let's fund our NHS instead"
I would say that this gives the distinct impression that the full £350m would go to the NHS. Perhaps technically not but it's clearly the impression that they were trying to give. Completely dishonest if you ask me.You've almost argued against yourself there with "perhaps technically not".
Whilst I believe that neither side were fully honest during the debate, I really dislike the fact that some people are now blaming Farage/Johnson etc. for "going back on their pledges" when none we made.
You were doing well but sadly are ignoring the facts. Standing in front of a poster and presenting your case, does to me indicate that the message on that poster is your pledge. And this was VERY clear that the whole £350m was to go to the NHS.
Boris has previous form for lying and being sacked as a result.
Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.0 -
EnglishMohican wrote: »Maybe the experts will be right for once, maybe not. But at least we do not have an immediate budget with higher taxes and cuts in services as some predicted.
Osborne's emergency budget threat was daft
But if Treasury predictions post referendum continue to be for recession ( no reason why they should not be - did you read their papers in advance of the referendum ?),then any Chancellor will have to give a budget that involves higher taxation and /or cuts in services.Either way,loss of growth is bad news
Have you read my link ( subsequently well summarised below by Doe808 )0 -
Osborne's emergency budget threat was daft
But if Treasury predictions post referendum continue to be for recession ( no reason why they should not be - did you read their papers in advance of the referendum ?),then any Chancellor will have to give a budget that involves higher taxation and /or cuts in services.Either way,loss of growth is bad news
Have you read my link ( subsequently well summarised below by Doe808 )
Daniel. Apologies, hadn't released you had already linked. Makes worrying reading, doesn't it.Total - £340.00
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Marchitiello wrote: »Yes the markets have re-gained a bit, and a bit versus the Euro, because the Bank of England has pumped in £3.1 billions of "our money" into it...
And regarding relocating, most of them already have other factories in the EU, like Toyota in Belgium and France and Nissan in Spain, it will be a mix of increase production, contract out some (like the Ford Ka being produced in Fiat's Polish factory), and brand new factories build thanks to EU grants...
Blutto does not deserve any more reply (renting to 10 people ... Seriously), not all in the leave camp are of that level, but he surely is...
A new hope line to write down: "More companis will come because the UK will give them better deals" (I add) to access their unique 60 million customers... , wishful thinking. Good that hopefully this thread will stand the test of time and we will come back and we will discuss the dynamic economy that would have magically appeared. In the main time be ready to pay even more taxes and increased goods prices
I tell ya this character is like a fish on a line! Just cannot wait to be caught! Throw out line and catches on.....:D
Look this fool maybe very concerned about his rent job consortium he maybe has going for himself tons of 'buy to lets' and has the power to guzump any first time buyer ,worried his buy to let mortages will not be met ? He reminds me of that Asian couple in the paper the other week who were both on fantastic money had a house worth 600K and said "we cannot exist on 200k a year and has the gaul to moan! Try existing on peanuts then, ohh by the way they can find the money for their customary Mercedes Benz though!
This guy must be living in Iceland then as in London my street it is full of rent jobs packed full with EE's who are quite happy to work for the 'lower labour cost dream of Europe just to fill his kind pockets'!
Believe me houses/flats are crammed with people,i know people in their 40's co-sharing still! What planet are you on? Loads are owned by asian consortiums by the way,you know the ones as they like to drive white coloured Mercs AMG/BMW's etc. I tell ya they are making a killing at the expense of the situation with housing and ofcourse we are all suffering as wages are surpressed by the demand for lower labour cost to only the EE's are to happy to oblige! Why? Beacause living in a flat with 8 people from a rough part of EEurope is a dream compared to where they were originally from!
Believe me we will have access to the free market as for the 100th TIME ,"they need us more than we need them,especially Germany"
Over and out!0 -
Daniel. Apologies, hadn't released you had already linked. Makes worrying reading, doesn't it.
Your link was better than mine and,yes,it does make worrying reading.
It's a mess and I genuinely hope that high quality MPs from both sides of the political spectrum will come forward and use their authority as representatives of their constituents to propose and prosecute an outcome in the best interests of those constituents
That may be wishful thinking , but we have had a brief and unpleasant ( the referendum debate was more divisive and dishonest than any GE) experience of populist democracy .0 -
I think you are misinterpreting that statementYou were doing well but sadly are ignoring the facts. Standing in front of a poster and presenting your case, does to me indicate that the message on that poster is your pledge. And this was VERY clear that the whole £350m was to go to the NHS.
Boris has previous form for lying and being sacked as a result.
We currently spend about £2.2bn per week on the NHS, which seems excessive. By contrast, we [allegedly] give the EU £350m per week, so let's give the NHS the £350m the EU takes every week instead of the £2.2bn we give to it now. 0 -
I find it truly astonishing that so many people took what Johnson said as fact. The man has been sacked (twice, I think, but at least once) for lying and was recorded offering to have someone beaten up for fraudster Darius Guppy.
I don't think that we should be surprised that the £350m was a false figure and won't be spent on the NHS. Next on the list would be the movement of EU citizens.
At this stage it looks as though he could well become PM. Absolutely astounding.0 -
That may be wishful thinking , but we have had a brief and unpleasant ( the referendum debate was more divisive and dishonest than any GE) experience of populist democracy .
What alternative are you suggesting? Perhaps only graduates should be allowed to vote or only Londoners, on only financial professionals, or only people called Daniel?
You can assume I would be against all of those suggestions but it is a serious question.
I agree that I am totally unimpressed by the way the exercise was carried out. But free for all market driven, buyer beware media campaigns has been developing as a philosophy for many years and has been adopted by all parties - commercial and political. In many ways it has been driven by the commercial London money men when they see a way to make extra profit and by globalisation.
So how do we achieve a moral form of politics? Frau May perhaps0 -
Drug cheats are stripped of their titles and shamed. Corruption in all forms is becoming endemic. Boris and his bungling, man of the people persona epitomise that.
He's about to make his carefully planned power grab and lead a country of 64 million people who've allowed 17 million people to impose something they don't even understand on themselves and the other 47 million.
That now empowers 330 people to pick two people to challenge each other and one to lead the country into this ruination.
I don't know what that is but it's not my idea of democracy.'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB0
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