The EU: IN or OUT?

blutto

Marchitiello wrote: »

Blutto,

The bottom line is that the leave campaign lied completely and to the core with headline that people like you believe and still repeat:
Lie : £350m to the EU - it was never £350m being paid at all and even the net payment of £180 was used for common causes, including development of Wales, Scotland and friendly Rep of Iteland....

Lie: Unelected EU: a bit of study on how EU legislation works will make you understand that the UK is represented both by MEP and ministers, unless you voted (like it is easy to believe) for Farage, which never turns up until today so he could show the stupid smile on his face....

Remain did warn us that there would be enormous economic and financial complication, which are only starting.

But you must not have any stock investment, child trust fund, pensions tied to the stock market, job linked to international sourcing and/or sale, properties (and worst in need of a remortgage) as well not buying and food items not grown and processed in the UK...

And Farage was answered well too:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-nigel-farage-eu-referendum-belgian-prime-minister-ridicules-ukip-leader-lying-in-campaign-a7107361.html

Mr.Italiano i assume >UTTER NONSENSE! :eek:

Are you telling me 'vote remain' was HONEST then ! :rotfl:

The fact is markets and sterling goes up and down and in a few weeks time it will be right back up there! DO NOT PANICK your little self into 'hissie fits' !

Regarding Farage he gave it to them " good and proper"!:T Once again the unelected jobsworths patting themselves on the back in huddles to guarantee their pathetic selves and ganging up to show a united front to their own countries dismay! France and Italy want referendums now and thats why they are DESPERATE to show defiance! They lost and thats all there is to it! Don't like the result ,you know what to do.....move to a European EU country then like Italy,OH ,so much unemployment thanks to the Euro! No wonder your over here then!:rotfl:


Oh see that Anna Soubry out again huffing and puffing in dismay! Just cannot except she lost! Doing her usual 'spill' ! Why is she a Tory anyway? Surely she should be a LuVVie and stand for the Liberal Party then.

blutto

Onawingandaprayer wrote: »

Seeing the photos of the Remainers protesting in Parliament Square, I just googled images of ANTI-EU protests around Europe.

Oodles of them obviously. And hard to tell which is which.

Weird times.

Just saying

Have you noticed that the BBC especially hates the outcome and are only showing and talking about the remainers,Ohh poor remainers!:cool:

They have shown jack !!!! about all the Anti Eu stuff going on in other countries with the EU dump! Also MOST IMPORTANT! >>>

Do you think the media would have done much COVERAGE or Response of 'i just cannot believe it' if 'Remain' had won? I bet your !!! they would not have as once again the result was not what the Elite and Media wanted!:(

If 'Leave' had lost i am telling you the media would have packed up Saturday morning and would never shown 'Leave' protests of overturning the result or asking for another referendum foe ,oh its was soooo close" Pathetic! :rotfl:

*If your watch RTV and AlJezzera they show you stuff Itv and BBC do not show> The resentment! If you watch stuff on satelite other than UK media you will see there other side protesting against the EU! Just yesterday they are secretly planning for full steam ahead>. Futher integration,EU Army that will no-doubt anger Russia and especially build ups in EE countries borders from the 'Beast from the East" The EU have already frustrated Putin economically and now they are trying to futhermore antagonise him and his Government!

bigadaj

I find it interesting that so many people have got such entrenched views, I don't think any likely outcome would have been great.

Assuming, as expected, the result had been the same proportion but for remain. This would have been interpreted as still a huge proportion of the British people not being content with being in the eu, and the rest of Europe would still have misgivings about the uk commitment.

There are only three options for the uk, one is to remain and sign up for the federalism that is the aim of most politicians within the eu parliament and institutions, with a European army, reduction of indivdual sovereign powers and adoption of the euro, not likely or popular for most. Then staying in but with opt outs as we now have currently, and fall further away from the rest of Europe as they integrate, or to come out.

I can't say I'm happy with any of the likely options, and all have pros and probably more cons.

atush

Have you noticed that the BBC especially hates the outcome and are only showing and talking about the remainers,Ohh poor remainers!

Not the BBC I have been watching on tv and online. Loads of interviews and articles about brexiteers.

Whats done is done. Not what I wanted, but we have to make the best of it.

I want to see what will happen, I want to see some leadership.

savings_my_hobby

talexuser wrote: »

That the same Mervyn King whose decade at the BOE has been judged a disaster by allowing the unprecetended housing bubble before the credit crunch, making it far worse, ignoring the warnings beforehand from the IMF and OECD? :rotfl:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/bank-of-england/10141232/Nice-Sir-Mervyn-King-still-allowed-the-ship-to-crash.html

Yes, that's him.

Ballard

I find that the logic of posts is often inversely proportionate to the number of smileys used.

Marchitiello

blutto wrote: »

Mr.Italiano i assume >UTTER NONSENSE! :eek:

Are you telling me 'vote remain' was HONEST then ! :rotfl:

The fact is markets and sterling goes up and down and in a few weeks time it will be right back up there! DO NOT PANICK your little self into 'hissie fits' !

Regarding Farage he gave it to them " good and proper"!:T Once again the unelected jobsworths patting themselves on the back in huddles to guarantee their pathetic selves and ganging up to show a united front to their own countries dismay! France and Italy want referendums now and thats why they are DESPERATE to show defiance! They lost and thats all there is to it! Don't like the result ,you know what to do.....move to a European EU country then like Italy,OH ,so much unemployment thanks to the Euro! No wonder your over here then!:rotfl:


Oh see that Anna Soubry out again huffing and puffing in dismay! Just cannot except she lost! Doing her usual 'spill' ! Why is she a Tory anyway? Surely she should be a LuVVie and stand for the Liberal Party then.

Not Italian but given an Italian nickname from a friend that stuck with me, thanks. You can keep your “go back to your country” comments where the sun do not shine as I have most probably paid more NI and UK taxes in the last 20 years that you have. I have properties and business interests in more than one EU country because I believe in the full freedom of movements as benefiting the whole European economy. and, as many other European, have always had other options, but chose to be based in this wonderful country that allowed me to trade easily worldwide but remaining within the EU (thanks to the supporting Financial and regulatory systems, some of which are shared within the EU). As I said before, one of the businesses I am involved with is already thinking of relocating HO...

So far the remain camp warning are coming into fruition. The situation is not even worst right now because the Bank of England has committed to intervene, injecting £3.1 billions after the referendum on top of the previous £6 billions it provisioned for to support the instability the referendum was expected to cause in the first place.

Again, you show how knowledgeable you are in thinking MEP are not elected. Are you not ashamed of showing such an ignorance?

All your arguments are clearly pinned by a sense of superiority that you clearly do not have.

You voted for a recession, and before you demonstrate your ignorance again, the previous one, whilst we were in the EU, was caused by worldwide events caused by irresponsible banks. It affected the whole world, US, EU, the rising economies of Brazil and Argentina (where I also lost some money) etc. This time the UK will have cause it. The initial uncertainty has caused this market initial crash. The EU is indeed annoyed to Mr Farage and co, not because they have exited but because in doing so they have caused repercussion across the EU.

the only thing you are right is that the dust will settle, but unless the UK give virtually the same right of free trade and movements (without being part of the decision making), large business will mainly relocate to the EU and the U.K. Economy will further fall.

Your sense of optimism is laughable at best!!!

looknohands

blutto wrote: »

The fact is markets and sterling goes up and down and in a few weeks time it will be right back up there! DO NOT PANICK your little self into 'hissie fits' !

Do not panic is easy to say for people who only rely on foreign exchange markets for their holiday money. I've had one business contract cancelled already due to budgeting concerns with the Euro myself and 3 UK suppliers had the order cancelled

I hope you're right long term but I haven't heard too many economic experts chirping in on Brexit being positive in the short term for the economy. Looks like the next 2 years will be a struggle for small businesses in the UK.

blutto

Marchitiello wrote: »

Not Italian but given an Italian nickname from a friend that stuck with me, thanks. You can keep your “go back to your country” comments where the sun do not shine as I have most probably paid more NI and UK taxes in the last 20 years that you have. I have properties and business interests in more than one EU country because I believe in the full freedom of movements as benefiting the whole European economy. and, as many other European, have always had other options, but chose to be based in this wonderful country that allowed me to trade easily worldwide but remaining within the EU (thanks to the supporting Financial and regulatory systems, some of which are shared within the EU). As I said before, one of the businesses I am involved with is already thinking of relocating HO...

So far the remain camp warning are coming into fruition. The situation is not even worst right now because the Bank of England has committed to intervene, injecting £3.1 billions after the referendum on top of the previous £6 billions it provisioned for to support the instability the referendum was expected to cause in the first place.

Again, you show how knowledgeable you are in thinking MEP are not elected. Are you not ashamed of showing such an ignorance?

All your arguments are clearly pinned by a sense of superiority that you clearly do not have.

You voted for a recession, and before you demonstrate your ignorance again, the previous one, whilst we were in the EU, was caused by worldwide events caused by irresponsible banks. It affected the whole world, US, EU, the rising economies of Brazil and Argentina (where I also lost some money) etc. This time the UK will have cause it. The initial uncertainty has caused this market initial crash. The EU is indeed annoyed to Mr Farage and co, not because they have exited but because in doing so they have caused repercussion across the EU.

the only thing you are right is that the dust will settle, but unless the UK give virtually the same right of free trade and movements (without being part of the decision making), large business will mainly relocate to the EU and the U.K. Economy will further fall.

Your sense of optimism is laughable at best!!!

I am sorry but your the LAUGH mate!

You obviously do not read things carefully enough! I Did not say go back to your country ! I said > you know what you can do if you do not like it,go to another country that will still be in the EU! Your the one trying to pull out the hate card here, mixed with project fear in the mix!:p

I want free trade,reasonable migration limits for those who have jobs to come to and not spongers like the likes of some we have seen on TV from Albania,Romania,and criminals living here paid for by us! So its a bit rich to keep using project fear!

Yes some companies will go,well let them then,we will take new ones with better deals then! These companies your associated with then,i bet they employ alot of bottom dollar low skilled jobs then? Hire EE's on the bottom dollar to line your 'full pockets',so yes its is to your interests to stay to keep the Status Quo going for you!
Properties rented out to 10 people in one household to pay for the customery merc and to futher line your pockets then hey! So you can keep your spill ! I have heard it all before! Like said do not like the result , go somewhere else in the world!:T If not stay here shutup and putup and make the best of the 'bright future to come'! wait and see ,the Long-Term will be better I assure you!
The rest of your beleoved Europe is cracking and thats not just because of the Uk result ,its been cracking for a long time! I am half German and even i am asking my German Countrymen to so the same even so i know they will not!
So just except the result and move forward!

just noticed you keep using this so-called word Superiorty? Thats is laughable that you think everyone in the 'leave camp is thick'! You lot are the lemmings!

EnglishMohican

looknohands wrote: »

.... I've had one business contract cancelled already due to budgeting concerns with the Euro myself and 3 UK suppliers had the order cancelled .....

I am sure you understand what you are saying - but as the pound has gone down more than the euro it seems the wrong way round. It would be cheaper for them. Unless it is a very long contract.
Not doubting you - just looking for understanding.