If we vote to Remain what happens?

BarleyGB

Pro EU members on QT didn't asnswer it. Can a Remain supporter please tell me how we'll house and service 3 million immigrants in the next 10 years - 10 cities like Nottingham (ONS figures)?

Assuming no preparation for this is in place, what will be the impact on infrastructure, housing, national grid, school places,roads, the NHS and other services, society?

michaels

BobQ wrote: »

It will be just like now whoever wins. The difference will be in the way it evolves after that.

(1) This is a big assumption. I think that the EU has been through a period of expansion which personally I think we should have opposed (a mch longer period of associate membership for all of those who joined was necessary). But the EU has only expanded because UK and other Governments have voted to let it. I think that it now has enough issues to deal with, so there will not be any more expansion. It has not been helped by the UK adopting such an adversarial approach to the EU and becoming isolated rather than engaged. We are not the only nation that now sees the need to change.

(2) While it might be beneficial to harmonise some taxes there is no evidence that anyone wants it is there? The Tampon issue was a technical term in that when nations joined they had to define any items that were to be zero rated or subject to different rates than the standard. This was defined in a Treaty related document and was difficult to change. As with any single market there are rules to stop nations tweaking things for competitive advantage so it gets scrutinised if a nation wants to change their list.

(3) We are not in the Euro and are not obliged to join. Your speculation is an interesting conspiracy theory but I cannot see why they should do this now after years of the EUro currency being in force.

(4) Where is the evidence that this is the case. If as seems likely we have a narrow margin then it will create issues. A narrow Brexit vote will probably see intensive negotiations and perhaps another referendum. A narrow Remain would send the message that the UK population really is very sceptical. Were any of your "fears" to be realised who says that at the next election both parties allow themselves to be locked into a further referendum?

Why is it that you can post a lot of unevidenced speculation about what might happen after a Remain win and at the same time say that Remain is the only one peddling Project Fear?:)

Thanks for addressing the original post. It was obviously posted to prompt discussion but also to make people think about the alternatives as I feel that the exit camp are being asked to say in minute detail exactly what the UK post Brexit will look like where as remain get away with saying it will be 'business as usual' without pointing out that business as usual for the last 40 years has been increased integration not standing still.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Thanks for addressing the original post. It was obviously posted to prompt discussion but also to make people think about the alternatives as I feel that the exit camp are being asked to say in minute detail exactly what the UK post Brexit will look like where as remain get away with saying it will be 'business as usual' without pointing out that business as usual for the last 40 years has been increased integration not standing still.

It was interesting listening to one of the economists that produced the Brexit report as he made some very good, and very accurate, points. The main one was that assuming that the UK leaves the EU and joins a free trade agreement based on WTO rules then the UK can clean up.

I have quite a lot of sympathy with that view as I believe it's right. I do feel that the chances of the UK being able to sign such a deal in reasonably short order with the main countries that it wants to trade with are poor though.

Without the ability to trade the UK's economy is toast.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

I recall seeing a stat that said over 100,000 households in London are now households with 1 local and 1 recent EU migrant. It seemed to suggest that this was couples but I think its likely more if you include younger households that rent together eg with some locals and some EU migrants in them.

I would imagine that surely the couples and house shares with part migrants (cant vote) and locals (can vote) in them wont be voting out.

This might be a bigger impact that many imagine and it will grow as the years pass. Many migrants are fairly young and have a grasp of English when they arrive so are forming households with locals a lot quicker than say refugees or poorer economic migrants from further afield in the world.

whether this statistic is correct or not, the general proposition that EU migrant will mate with the native born is likely to be true.
Is is another strong reason why immigration should be virtually stopped now before there are no locals left.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

It was interesting listening to one of the economists that produced the Brexit report as he made some very good, and very accurate, points. The main one was that assuming that the UK leaves the EU and joins a free trade agreement based on WTO rules then the UK can clean up.

I have quite a lot of sympathy with that view as I believe it's right. I do feel that the chances of the UK being able to sign such a deal in reasonably short order with the main countries that it wants to trade with are poor though.

Without the ability to trade the UK's economy is toast.

there is no particular reason either within or without the EU we won't be able to trade.

We need to remember that we are already suffering enormous impediments to trade due to not joining the euro (cf OECD, CBI etc).

Rinoa

Generali wrote: »

I do feel that the chances of the UK being able to sign such a deal in reasonably short order with the main countries that it wants to trade with are poor though.

Without the ability to trade the UK's economy is toast.

'Economists for Brexit' argue it's better not to sign any free trade deals. Simply trading under WTO rules would mean our exports to the EU would be subject to tariffs, around 4%, but we would be free of the burden of regulation which is stifling our economy.

Exports to the EU represent 12% of our GDP, but the other 88% of our GDP is also subject to EU regulations.

Economists for Brexit full report:

https://issuu.com/efbkl/docs/economists_for_brexit_-_the_economy?e=24629146/35248609

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

whether this statistic is correct or not, the general proposition that EU migrant will mate with the native born is likely to be true.
Is is another strong reason why immigration should be virtually stopped now before there are no locals left.

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mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

whether this statistic is correct or not, the general proposition that EU migrant will mate with the native born is likely to be true.
Is is another strong reason why immigration should be virtually stopped now before there are no locals left.

What the....

Is this comment for real? Is it a joke that I'm missing?

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

There are two polls out. Survation has the polls at 45:38 Remain:Leave.

The difference is in the polling methodology. The Times poll used a telephone survey I believe which prompts those polled for an answer if they say don't know. Survation is an Internet poll which accepts answers at face value.

It's the other way around; the Times (YouGov) is internet, and Survation was telephone. YouGov only do online polling; Survation seem keener on telephone these days.

antrobus

cells wrote: »

wahrscheinlich eine Ihrer dümmste Beiträge bisher

Possibly?

mwpt wrote: »

What the....

Is this comment for real? Is it a joke that I'm missing?

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