If we vote to Remain what happens?

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

What the....

Is this comment for real? Is it a joke that I'm missing?

yes it is a joke (but if you have missed it is doesn't matter as it just a comment on cells logical constructions that as usual are elegant but wrong)

but makes the humorous point that London is rapidly become a city inhabited mainly by the foreign born people.

As you already know, I think this is to the detriment of the UK born people although I do recognise that unlimited free movement of people will improve the life of others.

The issue being whether it is a valid objective to try to improve the lives of the native born or whether we should have other objectives.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes it is a joke (but if you have missed it is doesn't matter as it just a comment on cells logical constructions that as usual are elegant but wrong)

but makes the humorous point that London is rapidly become a city inhabited mainly by the foreign born people.

As you already know, I think this is to the detriment of the UK born people although I do recognise that unlimited free movement of people will improve the life of others.

The issue being whether it is a valid objective to try to improve the lives of the native born or whether we should have other objectives.

I feel you are backtracking here

I feel you actually do think its a negative that foreigners are setting up homes and families with locals probably because it means future generations are less likely to vote in the way you feel is best.

Lots will find that viewpoint quite dark but I think I understand where you are coming from. Most of the older generation generally dont want the younger folk to mix as they possibly feel that they will lose their children to the new culture the new friends/families. There is probably also a feeling that the new comers are poor/er and mixing with poor people is not seen as all that positive. The only thing I would say is that if its a problem its only likely to be a 1st generation problem

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

they are taking all our wimin

your mindless bigotry and sexism shows itself again : foreign women immigrate to the Uk and not all are gay.

Generali

cells wrote: »

they are taking all our wimin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIzivCJ9pzU

SFW

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

your mindless bigotry and sexism shows itself again : foreign women immigrate to the Uk and not all are gay.

they are taking all your men

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

yes it is a joke (but if you have missed it is doesn't matter as it just a comment on cells logical constructions that as usual are elegant but wrong)

but makes the humorous point that London is rapidly become a city inhabited mainly by the foreign born people.

As you already know, I think this is to the detriment of the UK born people although I do recognise that unlimited free movement of people will improve the life of others.

The issue being whether it is a valid objective to try to improve the lives of the native born or whether we should have other objectives.

Native born is such a silly concept. I know you and many others won't agree because this sort of topic doesn't work on logic but works on emotions which are built in. We deal in families, tribes, troops, groups (cells' monkey sphere). The concept of nation is important to people because it defines a group which is protective of our security.

But it is and will continue to become outdated. Is someone who is born in London to parents who moved here only three months ago from Bangladesh (where they conceived) higher or lower on the pecking order than a child whose parents have lived in London for generations? What about a child who was born in Bangladesh but who was brought to London five years ago? What about someone who was born in North of England and moved to London? They are an immigrant to London. Higher in the pecking order than someone from a different country (according to the lines on the map). What about someone from Ireland? Higher or lower? Making these distinctions is hard, supremely pointless and harmful.

I am a citizen of the earth who has made London my home. While I live here I will pay (a lot!) of taxes, not litter, be nice to people, let older people sit on the tube, keep my garden looking good, visit pubs, eat all sorts of food, socialise, just go about being a Londoner. The fact that I wasn't born here should be completely irrelevant.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

mwpt wrote: »

Native born is such a silly concept.

I am a citizen of the earth who has made London my home. While I live here I will pay (a lot!) of taxes, not litter, be nice to people, let older people sit on the tube, keep my garden looking good, visit pubs, eat all sorts of food, socialise, just go about being a Londoner. The fact that I wasn't born here should be completely irrelevant.

Spot on....

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

Native born is such a silly concept. I know you and many others won't agree because this sort of topic doesn't work on logic but works on emotions which are built in. We deal in families, tribes, troops, groups (cells' monkey sphere). The concept of nation is important to people because it defines a group which is protective of our security.

But it is and will continue to become outdated. Is someone who is born in London to parents who moved here only three months ago from Bangladesh (where they conceived) higher or lower on the pecking order than a child whose parents have lived in London for generations? What about a child who was born in Bangladesh but who was brought to London five years ago? What about someone who was born in North of England and moved to London? They are an immigrant to London. Higher in the pecking order than someone from a different country (according to the lines on the map). What about someone from Ireland? Higher or lower? Making these distinctions is hard, supremely pointless and harmful.

I am a citizen of the earth who has made London my home. While I live here I will pay (a lot!) of taxes, not litter, be nice to people, let older people sit on the tube, keep my garden looking good, visit pubs, eat all sorts of food, socialise, just go about being a Londoner. The fact that I wasn't born here should be completely irrelevant.

so you do support unlimited movement of people to the UK

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Spot on....

as a citizen of the earth do you want your wealth shared equally with all?

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

I feel you are backtracking here

I feel you actually do think its a negative that foreigners are setting up homes and families with locals probably because it means future generations are less likely to vote in the way you feel is best.

Lots will find that viewpoint quite dark but I think I understand where you are coming from. Most of the older generation generally dont want the younger folk to mix as they possibly feel that they will lose their children to the new culture the new friends/families. There is probably also a feeling that the new comers are poor/er and mixing with poor people is not seen as all that positive. The only thing I would say is that if its a problem its only likely to be a 1st generation problem

nice construct : 100% wrong as usual.