If we vote to Remain what happens?

Filo25

globalds wrote: »

Tell me about it ..
It will take UK ten years to leave should the public vote for it

Let's be honest if the UK votes to leave, and Boris gets his goal of becoming PM afterwards, he will get some seemingly minor concessions from the EU which means he suddenly changes his mind and thinks we should stay in the EU after all, and holds a second referendum.

antrobus

mwpt wrote: »

Trust you? Are you privy to some information the rest of us are not?....

Oh I don't know, perhaps they are better at predicting the future, than they are at understanding the past.

mwpt wrote: »

...Could you explain a mechanism by which they will make it impossible to leave? ...

They could threaten to stop sending us BMWs. I'm sure that would cause consternation and panic amongst many.

mwpt wrote: »

....How will they stop an entire sovereign country from closing borders, ceasing trade deals and so forth? Threaten to nuke us?....

France does have nukes. I think they've got four subs just like we have.

Johnsmith2016

mwpt wrote: »

Trust you? Are you privy to some information the rest of us are not?



Could you explain a mechanism by which they will make it impossible to leave? How will they stop an entire sovereign country from closing borders, ceasing trade deals and so forth? Threaten to nuke us?

EDIT: I'm also hoping you'll clarify what you meant by "undemocratic" with regard the Dutch - Ukraine situation. It's not helpful to put out random emotive statements like this without clarifying what you mean.

1. I said "near" not impossible (meaning make it harder than present to happen again) - easy misquote aside don't trust me by all accounts , simply watch yourself if we remain, and be sure to pop back and thank me for my foresight, i will of course pop back and thank you after june should the alternative occur. - we can only agree to disagree on this one. But as always time will tell and i look forward to communicating after june.

Regarding the dutch/ukraine point ? - are we talking about the same thing? If you could clarify whats troubling you so i can clear everything up for you.

Generali

mwpt wrote: »

Trust you? Are you privy to some information the rest of us are not?

(S)he is. Apparently Turkey is going to join the EU by the end of the year and kebabs are going to be compulsory.

Oh and if the UK leaves the EU then all immigration will stop despite all evidence to the contrary (actually that one may be CLAPTON).

quarky

Traitors and liars.


"A document signed last September in Rome by the speakers of the national parliaments in Germany, France, Italy and Luxembourg calls for the creation of a full blown “federal union of states”.
The paper says that “concrete proposals” to deepen EU integration will be drawn up at a meeting in Luxembourg next month, raising the prospect of a new row about powers leaching to Brussels ahead of the referendum on June"
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/plans-drawn-up-for-european-superstate-djj5pvq32

mwpt

Johnsmith2016 wrote: »

1. I said "near" not impossible (meaning make it harder than present to happen again

Leaving aside a small misquote, could you explain the mechanism please. It's important that if you're going to try and convince people of this that they understand how it would work.

Regarding the dutch/ukraine point ? - are we talking about the same thing? If you could clarify whats troubling you so i can clear everything up for you.

You said this in another post:

Johnsmith2016 wrote: »

Not everything has a monetary value to make it comparable, my primary reason for out is the EU is undemocratic (see dutch a few weeks ago)

It would be good if you could explain exactly what you mean here.

CLAPTON

Generali wrote: »

(S)he is. Apparently Turkey is going to join the EU by the end of the year and kebabs are going to be compulsory.

Oh and if the UK leaves the EU then all immigration will stop despite all evidence to the contrary (actually that one may be CLAPTON).

oh dear

there was time before Generali started worshipping the EU, that he was more careful about the accuracy of his posts.
Burt sadly that is the way of acolytes.

michaels

Not so much comment on this report by some economists who can hardly be described as also-rans:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36150191

Lets apply classical economics and see what happens if we remove the external tariffs applied by the EU and instead trade under WTO rules - most people's 'worse case' EU deal:

The group, Economists for Brexit, claim the UK economy would be boosted by 4% outside the EU.

Plus these were are not swivel-eyed loons, they make no claims about immigration per say being bad but do state that if we kept the same level of immigration as currently, outside the EU we could adjust the mix and allow in more Indian programmers and Chinese materials scientists - possibly very bad news for the staunchly pro-eu middle classes who currently benefit from cheap Polish builders and Romanian cleaners but much better for the UK overall.

kabayiri

michaels wrote: »

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Plus these were are not swivel-eyed loons, they make no claims about immigration per say being bad but do state that if we kept the same level of immigration as currently, outside the EU we could adjust the mix and allow in more Indian programmers and Chinese materials scientists - possibly very bad news for the staunchly pro-eu middle classes who currently benefit from cheap Polish builders and Romanian cleaners but much better for the UK overall.

IMO, if we can't attract the higher value jobs and industry to these shores, we will continue to fall down the productivity league table.

I worry that Cameron will continue to manage the net migration figures by constraining people outside the EU; people who we need, like you point out.

He still won't hit his tens of thousands original target. It was a stupid commitment at the time.

Rinoa

michaels wrote: »

Not so much comment on this report by some economists who can hardly be described as also-rans:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36150191

Lets apply classical economics and see what happens if we remove the external tariffs applied by the EU and instead trade under WTO rules - most people's 'worse case' EU deal:

Good to see someone pointing this out:

He argued that the UK would not need a new trade agreement if it left the EU because 70% of exports were traded outside the bloc under WTO rules.
"The remaining 30% would also become subject to WTO rules and would be sold to the EU subject to its general tariffs which average around 4%, in the same way as exports from Japan or the US," Prof Minford said.

4% is negligible. The pound often moves more than that in a day or two without our exports collapsing as a result.

As most of our exports are to non EU countries anyway, they are subject to a 4% tariff right now so this is clearly not a problem. And of course, once we're out of the EU we can make trade deals with others which we are currently forbidden to do under EU rules.