If we vote to Remain what happens?

cells

There is no reason the UK could not leave at a later date if we found the union to be a net disadvantage.

I also feel that the USA would not have become anywhere near as rich and powerful was it not a large free trade free movement block and was instead of 50 states working as one country 50 countries with borders and independent rule regs and policy.

mystic_trev

I'm getting more than a little peed off being told it'll be virtual Armageddon if we leave the EU. I'm beginning to feel, stuff it, I'll vote brexit.

Johnsmith2016

Without a crystal ball - weather what I have written comes to fruition and the time scale is open to debate of course - just like any prediction. but please dont try and sugguest i have made these things up and they are not at the very least on the table.
You may not like what I have said, it may not play to your narrative, you may not agree with them, you may not like the source i use, or article i sugguest - which is fine, but please dont try to deny them.

Regarding turkey 2 members asked for specific sources - i did just that and suddenly the source isnt good enough,
Or the data incorrect so whats the point. I could point a link to all the above and you would do the same.

Johnsmith2016

Cells - i do think the EU will do something if we stay in to make it much harder for us to get out.

Obama, is hypocrite to me - slags on PM off and been one of the most anti british presidents - then again i think he is anti a lot of people so britian should not take it personally he has been a great divider in the whitehouse and a weak leader.

Obamas stance is all about Whats best for US as it should be - all about TTIP.

Would he allow free movement of mexicans? Or his laws and courts made and overuled from peru? And pay 350m for the privilage?

cells

mystic_trev wrote: »

I'm getting more than a little peed off being told it'll be virtual Armageddon if we leave the EU. I'm beginning to feel, stuff it, I'll vote brexit.

shoot your foot to try and prove a point syndrome?

a recession is not Armageddon or the end of the world its higher taxes lower spending and more debt on the state credit card just look at the 2008 recession and the same again could happen.

HornetSaver

I'm not au fait with the lastest diplomatic protocols, but it seems to me that "we will not enact anything we have not explicitly agreed to" is an underused sentiment within the EU. Indeed, the reason Britain has all the veto powers it does (more than any other EU member by some distance, albeit less than many people would like) is that we are seen as the country most likely to threaten and then follow through on such a sentiment.

I'm now about 90% sure I'm going to vote remain. If the EU is destined to go belly up, the UK will be harmed badly whether in or out. If that is the way things are going to pan out, I would rather we were in a position to prevent the most obviously doomed decisions, and to withdraw at the optimal time should that be necessary. If we leave now, the other 27 countries will end up accelerating fiscal and political union for ideological reasons regardless of the economic and democratic merits of doing so, and the worse things go, the bigger the impact on us. Better to stay in, stymie the worst plans of the integrationalists, and veto any budget which either increases EU spending or increases the UK's proportionate contribution to it.

Let a Eurozone country be the one to spark an unravelling of the whole thing. For all the talk of Grexit, my money's on Spain.

mwpt

mystic_trev wrote: »

I'm getting more than a little peed off being told it'll be virtual Armageddon if we leave the EU. I'm beginning to feel, stuff it, I'll vote brexit.

Normal human reaction. I previously considered myself very liberal and slightly left leaning. In the run up to the 2015 elections I found myself leaning a little right because of all the venom and negative rhetoric used by Labour and all the social media warriors.

I've veered back to my quite liberal, centre ground with sympathies to practical implementable left social policies. If that makes any sense?

What I'm saying is, be more zen. Fear is the mind killer.

Johnsmith2016

I think one area not really being discussed is the rising eurosceptism across all europe.

And what will the future look like if britain does remain but then other countries leave?
Will it leave britain funding a bigger burden of the north/south Euro divide, bailing out the failing countries?

France are more eurosceptic than uk, dutch is growing and voted no to Ukraine but EU refused to ackknowledge the people showing their true democractic colours.

german resentment is growing to merkal causing a disaster , iceland let their application to join lapse, danes had a referendum in dec, norway frustrated with migration, and greeks surely would opt out if they could afford to. Spain are also right up there and surely italians wont be happy with med crisis.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

I think it will be a tacit green light for the EU (meaning Germany really) to plough on with unpopular stuff, if the biggest whingers are still there.

Other rulers will certainly be reluctant or strongly discouraged to offer a similar referendum.

The UK's "powerful voice in Europe" (B Obama, 2016) will continue to get us amazing deals at the negotiating table, such as the slight reduction in immigrant benefits (subject to nobody else disagreeing at any point) by respected European statesman, David Cameron.

Borders and Schengen may be reviewed, and I think Merkel is going to be shocked by the resistance of the former Soviet countries. Their experience of and attitude towards colonisation and cultural identity is very different to Western Europe.

There will be an escalation of Mediterranean migrant issues over the summer, and Calais will remain a festering dump (with the French continuing with their indifferent Gallic shrugging over it).

Greece will have to be bailed out again at some point obviously.

mrginge

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is absolutely no appetite whatsoever, neither with the British public, nor with any of the mainstream political parties to seek further integration on the fiscal or monetary side. And there won't be any appetite for it for the foreseeable future.

Therefore, to the question of what will happen it we vote remain; it will be business as usual, a thriving UK economy at the heart of Europe and the world, but at the same time outside the more tricky bits like EMU and Schengen. The best of both worlds. :T

The question asked was what will the EU look like, not what will Britain look like.