The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No Jock. You and others like you are pinning every single hope you have on stopping a second referendum or vote on the Tories making a hugely significant revival in Scotland to the extent they take more than half of all Scottish seats. This. is. not. going. to. happen. And it certainly didn't happen today despite high hopes of it at the start of the day.

I logged on to chortling about how myself and other indy posters were 'being quiet' and the silence is deafening..well you certainly don't seem to like it any more when we're not do you ? So make up your mind on that one.

The SNP now dominate in council elections, in Holyrood elections, and in Westminster elections. The request for a second indy ref still exists from the Scottish Parliament. A few Tory gains, if they happen in a few weeks time ? Changes nothing. You're pinning your hopes and Shaka's 'final nail's on gawd knows what because I sure still don't know what you are basing it on.

Just back from a charity night ran by a local SNP party ... they certainly were not quiet ... they are still partying ... they seem happy about the result, although they are not happy with the amount of Tory seats but they think that at least it gives them an idea what they are up against so delighted in so many ways

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

What I am saying is when push comes to shove your share of the popular vote in the GE will be under 40% and as such your dream of independence is withering on the vine.

It is all over.

Are you seriously pushing 'vote share' as a reason an independence vote won't happen ? Because there have been figures bandied about that the Tories got 23% today. I don't know if that's true at all, but I'd be very careful what you wish for in terms of what vote share means and doesn't mean. Very careful indeed.

From now until June the 8th, every newspaper, media outlet and other political party in Scotland is going to be pushing this vote share line to breaking point. In fact papers like The Herald have already started. But it doesn't really mean anything Shaka, not in this GE nor in any other in the past.. you just really hope it does. However it's always the seats that count in the end.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

They won't believe it until they see it.

Wait for the vote share statistics on June 9th, then see how smug they all are after that.

Who gives a flying whatever about 'vote share statistics'. As long as the SNP get a majority of seats.

Peter Murrell‏Verified account
Biggest party in 16/32 councils
431 wins (+6)
75,000 more votes
Higher vote share

Murrell might know something about todays figs though compared to 2012... :cool:

Mistermeaner

Vote share is interesting ref independence as a 2nd referendum would be vote share based not seat based (I assume)

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Who gives a flying whatever about 'vote share statistics'.

This GE is all about independence in Scotland.

Do you honestly think you can still argue for indyref2 if you (and possibly the greens combined) if you don't get pretty damn close to 50% share of the vote.

If as I suspect the SNP+Greens get less than 40% it is all over you can huff and you can puff all you like but that will be your reality.

mollycat

Firstly as a democrat, and secondly as a Dundonian born and bred, I'm absolutely delighted following yesterday's results.

Truly looks like the beginning of the end

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Firstly as a democrat, and secondly as a Dundonian born and bred, I'm absolutely delighted following yesterday's results.

Truly looks like the beginning of the end

I know the SNP victory of 155 seats more than their nearest rival is a crushing blow .. beginning of the end right enough

wonderfull stuff

molerat

The SNP are the largest single party on my council, losing one seat, and claiming a victory. The Conservatives and Independents each have one less, but most SNP councillors were elected at stages 4-7 and got where they are by fielding 2 candidates in many wards. The Conservatives were all elected at stage 1 in all of the 8 wards, the SNP getting 3 joint 1s - much worse than 2012. It will be interesting to see the raw 1s data. Strangely at the last Holyrood election they talked down the elected Conservative MSP and claimed he was only there because of the "system" !

We got a mention in the National UK news this morning, Nicola pooping herself looking forward to the GE as our council is pretty much the same as the Westminster constituency.

elantan

Well in Ferguslie park where th BBC are making quite a thing about the Tories getting a seat ... it's quite interesting

Here's Craigs take on it https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/05/astonishing-tory-ferguslie-park-super-triumph/

I'm not sure about other places ... no doubt analysis will come out though through time

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

I know the SNP victory of 155 seats more than their nearest rival is a crushing blow .. beginning of the end right enough

wonderfull stuff

I think you might need a new "cause" post June 9th.

Why not pick something of greater good to mankind than Scottish Independence?

The plight of the red squirrel maybe?