The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Indy doesn't finish on June 8th ... June 8th is a general election ... don't ya know this already ?

mollycat

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Indy doesn't finish on June 8th ... June 8th is a general election ... don't ya know this already ?[/QUOTE]

Pretty certain you find it will

elantan

Not when Holyrood voted it through ... that vote has already happened ... did u miss it ?

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Not when Holyrood voted it through ... that vote has already happened ... did u miss it ?

Think you will find that it is Westminster that will decide if any 2nd referendum happens or not, (clue...it won't )

Hollyrood is for things like free prescriptions and bus passes....didn't you know that? :cool:

sss555s

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Does anyone notice how quiet this thread is now that it is known that Labour has lost control of Glasgow and across the board the Tories seem to be making gains in Scotland?

I wonder why it's so quiet?

Probably something to do with the dominate win SNP had yesterday by crushing their 2nd place rivals by 155 seats. :beer:

kelpie35 wrote: »

It is quiet because the snp are now realising how stupid they are and can't take the backlash

Yep, that'll be it :rotfl:

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

:T

AS I say earlier, quiet eh?
The silence is deafening.

I like this from the Daily Record:


See that; "political earthquake".
I can't wait to see what spin our pro-SNP contingent put on this.

It is quiet and a 155 crushing win is a political earthquake :money:

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I can tell you right now:

"They're local elections fought on local issues."

Completely disregarding their statements that the Conservatives are hated in Scotland...

Oops.

This proves you haven't got a clue. There is a high percentage of independence supporters on this thread that would otherwise vote Tory.

What a difference a day makes! It's funny to look back at some of the delusional posts from yesterday. :beer:

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Think you will find that it is Westminster that will decide if any 2nd referendum happens or not, (clue...it won't )

Hollyrood is for things like free prescriptions and bus passes....didn't you know that? :cool:

I think we can all guess at what a backlash there would be if WM refused one ... or delayed one for too long ... especially as now is the time for a GE ... dont stay in denial Molly ... it doesn't suit you

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Labour IS imploding and the Tories aren't aren't gaining fast enough or even just enough in FPTP. Both of them ran council election campaigns based exclusively on a No indy ref ticket. And failed to even dent the SNP's continued dominance.

Voters still voting Labour, will have a choice to make in a second indy ref :- they are still only 10 seats behind the Tories in these council elections despite their disasterous losses. Davidson will gain all the support she's ever likely to get in a few weeks time and it won't be anywhere near enough.

A referendum is two years away and all eyes move back to the Tories and Brexit after June 8th. Davidson has absolutely nowhere left to go with her no indyref campaign after then since it then becomes a Scottish Parliament/Westminster issue. No more elections to fight until 2021.

Those still voting Labour in Scotland in an indy ref are up for grabs. Sturgeon will be hammering home an anti-Tory message for the next two years joined by a frightened Scottish media (except the BBC). Davidson and any MP's they gain will have to defend every single policy the Conservative Party has plus Brexit.. since they won't have a 'no to indy ref' campaign to cling onto and hide behind anymore.

Dugdale is likely to go to be replaced by a leader who is less absolute in their defence of the Union and IF it's someone like Rowley, someone as stridently if not more anti-Tory than Sturgeon is. <---- This is when the Union runs into real trouble in the run up to a second referendum.

Desperate.
It wouldn't do any harm Shakey to admit that you were wrong on the rebirth of Scottish Toryism. To ignore it and then dream up another unlikely scenario that ends up with Scottish independence does not aid with your fast dissapearing credibility in my view.
The simple truth is that the majority of Scots are now voting to stop another referendum, all this talk of Holyrood has a right to call one is just guff to cover up a rather basic error in strategy by Sturgeon, unfortunately for you she is no Salmond.
You only hope is that Brexit is a complete disaster and all the political ducks are all lined up in a row, in order for the SNP to call for your much longed for indyref2.
Even in that unlikely scenario, a vote for independence would still involve the biggest leap of faith in referenda history.
Scotland is changing.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

sss555s wrote: »

I'm calling out your BS...

2012 SNP were 30 seats ahead of second place

2017 SNP are 155 seats ahead of second place _party_

That is a crushing defeat by anyone's standards!



:rotfl: Don't let the facts get in the way of your delusions!

There were 21 extra seats and SNP got 6 of them while also maintaining their 2012 numbers. Hardly "on the slide" is it?

The B S is all yours - and it seems that simple arithmetic is not your strong point either.

Six seats out of the 21 new seats is just 28%, not even a third.
Also the increased combined Tory and Labour numbers in local councils amount to increased opposition to SNP policies, do they not?

Getting only just 35% of the votes cast is hardly evidence of what you like to call a "crushing defeat".
And it is certainly not evidence of increasing (or even maintaining TBH) support.

I'm looking forward to the coming weeks before June 8th.
Partly because such continued reliance upon such poorly perceived positives combined with the continued use of already-tired arguments by pro-SNP proponents will certainly only further alienate potential (or past) SNP voters.
:T

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No Jock. You and others like you are pinning every single hope you have on stopping a second referendum or vote on the Tories making a hugely significant revival in Scotland to the extent they take more than half of all Scottish seats. This. is. not. going. to. happen. And it certainly didn't happen today despite high hopes of it at the start of the day.

I logged on to chortling about how myself and other indy posters were 'being quiet' and the silence is deafening..well you certainly don't seem to like it any more when we're not do you ? So make up your mind on that one.

The SNP now dominate in council elections, in Holyrood elections, and in Westminster elections. The request for a second indy ref still exists from the Scottish Parliament. A few Tory gains, if they happen in a few weeks time ? Changes nothing. You're pinning your hopes and Shaka's 'final nail's on gawd knows what because I sure still don't know what you are basing it on.

I was going to respond but I have been beaten to it - and Tromking's post above explains admirably.

Basically we Scots ourselves are saying we don't want another bally referendum.
You'd better get used to hearing that.
SNP, pro indy ref = 35%
Labour against iny ref = 21%
Tory against indy ref = 22%

Just those two combined = 43% against indyref - and we'll see how it pans out in the GE.
Not good for the SNP potentially is the general consensus.
Especially given that these are actual figures and not polls (or guesses).

wotsthat

Maybe there should be a referendum about whether there should be another referendum.

We seemingly can't get enough democracy these days.