The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

sss555s wrote: »

There is nothing misleading about facts Tricky. Show me where my figures are wrong?

You've been shown.
Again and again but you ignore it all as usual; it's as if you don't like it so you hope it goes away. Well it won't.
So just for you and with thanks to TrickyTree here is an earlier post.
Nice and simple.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You're fooling yourself.

The SNP may be in control because the "indy" vote primarily backs the SNP, but the union vote is split. Combined they dwarf the SNP.

Translate that to a binary referendum option.

Bummer eh?

I guess there's just not enough stupid people in Scotland, you should be proud.

Plus this from MSJ from earlier with my thanks:

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Here goes then:
2015 election, SNP vote share 50%
2016 election, SNP vote share 46.5%
2017 election, SNP vote share 36%

Do you see a trend yet?
:T

Looks to me like most Scots don't share your horror.

Shakethedisease

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

You've been shown.
Again and again but you ignore it all as usual; it's as if you don't like it so you hope it goes away. Well it won't.
So just for you and with thanks to TrickyTree here is an earlier post.
Nice and simple.

Plus this from MSJ from earlier with my thanks:

Looks to me like most Scots don't share your horror.

You're deluding yourself if you think the Tories are going to beat the SNP in terms of seats in June. Even worse, the media has put such high expectations on Davidson's shoulders that anything short of 12 to 15 seats is going to be seen as a huge let down after all the hype. Also they've also blown all chances of tactical voting in marginal areas where Tory voters, instead of considering voting Labour/Lib Dem to keep the SNP out. Will now stick to voting Tory given those high hopes.

The union vote is going to be split in marginal areas again like it was in 2015 ( in 2016 tactics played a big part in some areas ).

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're deluding yourself if you think the Tories are going to beat the SNP in terms of seats in June. Even worse, the media has put such high expectations on Davidson's shoulders that anything short of 12 to 15 seats is going to be seen as a huge let down after all the hype. Also they've also blown all chances of tactical voting in marginal areas where Tory voters, instead of considering voting Labour/Lib Dem to keep the SNP out. Will now stick to voting Tory given those high hopes.

The union vote is going to be split in marginal areas again like it was in 2015 ( in 2016 tactics played a big part in some areas ).

Are you at it again?
Distraction tactics, deceit etc.?
Because I've not said that I think the Tories are going to beat the SNP in "terms of seats in June". Show me where I did?

The Unionist vote has expanded - the number of seats yesterday shows that very clearly. Which is why you are so obviously worried, no doubt.
As you should be.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The union vote is going to be split in marginal areas again like it was in 2015 ( in 2016 tactics played a big part in some areas ).

Wouldn't be split in any 2nd referendum though, would it?

(Not that WM should ever allow that to happen in any case).

You're a bit slow in realising that the main motivation of those who post here; it's to stop the absolute lunacy of Independence.

The outcome of this General Election is secondary, plenty more GE's to get excited about once the SNP are dead and buried!

sss555s

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

You've been shown.
Again and again but you ignore it all as usual; it's as if you don't like it so you hope it goes away. Well it won't.
So just for you and with thanks to TrickyTree here is an earlier post.
Nice and simple.


Looks to me like most Scots don't share your horror.

You can't lump all the different types of election results together as has been said. You are comparing Apples with Oranges. Not everyone will vote yes or no by party which has also been said.
I didn't vote in the local elections but I will be voting on independence.
Looks like you're presuming a referendum result based on a local election 2 years prior.
The main thing at this point is that SNP are in a strong position and that 155 seat advantage in massive. That's current and factual, not some guesstimate down the road.

Shakethedisease

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life wrote: »

Are you at it again?
Distraction tactics, deceit etc.?
Because I've not said that I think the Tories are going to beat the SNP in "terms of seats in June". Show me where I did?

The Unionist vote has expanded - the number of seats yesterday shows that very clearly. Which is why you are so obviously worried, no doubt.
As you should be.

Everyone on here is going on about final nails and indy ref being dead off the back of vote share in this forthcoming GE.

What's your take then since you agree the Tories won't beat the SNP in terms of seats. Do you think it change anything following the GE ? Or are you just on this thread to murmur agreement and administer hearty back slaps every now and again with other posters.. even though you don't agree apparently seem to agree with their posts on final nails in coffins ? :cool:

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

...
Nothing now can stop a Scottish Parliament/Westminster confrontation over a second indy ref. The Tories just need to manufacture a reason for May to block one. Am not sure the vote share in a UK election on the make up of a UK parliament is going to suffice in justifying it to be honest.
...

A big majority in this GE helps May block something like this.

It's ironic that the SNP has helped weaken Labour and in so doing strengthen the hand of the Tories.

May can validly claim that dealing with Brexit and the aftermath takes priority. All the media attention is now firmly on the EU down here. Nobody really notices Nicola now.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're deluding yourself if you think the Tories are going to beat the SNP in terms of seats in June.

Oh, I don't no. Off the top of my head, I believe that the SNP are only standing candidates in 59 seats, whereas I think the Conservatives are going for 632. Therefore I'd bet there's a darned good chance that the Tories will indeed beat the SNP in terms of seats in June.:)

In fact, as things stand at the moment, it look as if these Tories will beat everybody in terms of seats in June. And they will still say no to any second referendum.

antrobus

kabayiri wrote: »

A big majority in this GE helps May block something like this....

Any size majority would do. Either Parliament approves a Section 30 order or it doesn't.

kabayiri wrote: »

..It's ironic that the SNP has helped weaken Labour and in so doing strengthen the hand of the Tories.

I suppose it is.:)

kabayiri wrote: »

...May can validly claim that dealing with Brexit and the aftermath takes priority. All the media attention is now firmly on the EU down here. Nobody really notices Nicola now.

May can come up with whatever explanation she likes. The answer (I predict) will still be no.

As far as I can make out, this will make some people very cross and unhappy. Perhaps they will organise a protest march. Perhaps they will go to court, so that the Supreme Court can explain to them what the Scotland Act 1998 actually says. Perhaps they'll occupy the post office in Edinburgh. I don't know. This sort of thing happens from time to time.

In any case, Brent Crude has fallen below $50 a barrel. Only a crazy mad person would want independence with Brent Crude at that price. It needs to be a $100 a barrel to make up that fiscal deficit. Hopes that there is a magic money tree in the Trossachs have been dashed, I understand.:)

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

In any case, Brent Crude has fallen below $50 a barrel. Only a crazy mad person would want independence with Brent Crude at that price. It needs to be a $100 a barrel to make up that fiscal deficit. Hopes that there is a magic money tree in the Trossachs have been dashed, I understand.:)

North Sea is in decline. Tide is going out. Only a matter of time anyway.