The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Jock, it's the BBC that's being naughty. The SNP took 425 seats in 2012... 431 in 2017. Do the maths and check it out for yourself. Then admit the BBC apparently has their numbers wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2012

2012: 425
2017: 431

Oh darn, beaten to it - thank you Antrobus.

Do Sky too get it wrong then?
And the Telegraph that says "The SNP remain the largest party with 431 seats - marginally fewer than in 2012."
Or the Scotsman: "The SNP have 431 councillors, as we mentioned that is down slightly on the notional 2012 results."


BTW Dundee - where 57.3% voted "yes" in 2014.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

A few short months ago you were hanging your hat on the theory that Labour was imploding and the Tories were an electoral irrelevance in Scotland such was the historical antipathy toward them by Scots. That situation to you meant an inexorable march toward independence.
You were wrong weren't you?

Labour IS imploding and the Tories aren't aren't gaining fast enough or even just enough in FPTP. Both of them ran council election campaigns based exclusively on a No indy ref ticket. And failed to even dent the SNP's continued dominance.

Voters still voting Labour, will have a choice to make in a second indy ref :- they are still only 10 seats behind the Tories in these council elections despite their disasterous losses. Davidson will gain all the support she's ever likely to get in a few weeks time and it won't be anywhere near enough.

A referendum is two years away and all eyes move back to the Tories and Brexit after June 8th. Davidson has absolutely nowhere left to go with her no indyref campaign after then since it then becomes a Scottish Parliament/Westminster issue. No more elections to fight until 2021.

Those still voting Labour in Scotland in an indy ref are up for grabs. Sturgeon will be hammering home an anti-Tory message for the next two years joined by a frightened Scottish media (except the BBC). Davidson and any MP's they gain will have to defend every single policy the Conservative Party has plus Brexit.. since they won't have a 'no to indy ref' campaign to cling onto and hide behind anymore.

Dugdale is likely to go to be replaced by a leader who is less absolute in their defence of the Union and IF it's someone like Rowley, someone as stridently if not more anti-Tory than Sturgeon is. <---- This is when the Union runs into real trouble in the run up to a second referendum.

sss555s

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Jock, it's the BBC that's being naughty. The SNP took 425 seats in 2012... 431 in 2017. Do the maths and check it out for yourself. Then admit the BBC apparently has their numbers wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2012

2012: 425
2017: 431

WOW!! What a great result! _party_

Well done the Torys for catching up to Labour but you both took one hell of a beating at around 60% short of the SNP!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

sss555s wrote: »

WOW!! What a great result! _party_

Well done the Torys for catching up to Labour but you both took one hell of a beating at around 60% short of the SNP!

Course it is.
Not.
I bet you're not at all bothered about the GE in June either, are you?

What odds on the SNP losing 12 at least, from results like this?
And more if they don't buck up their p-poor campaigning.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh darn, beaten to it - thank you Antrobus.

Do Sky too get it wrong then?
And the Telegraph that says "The SNP remain the largest party with 431 seats - marginally fewer than in 2012."
Or the Scotsman: "The SNP have 431 councillors, as we mentioned that is down slightly on the notional 2012 results."


BTW Dundee - where 57.3% voted "yes" in 2014.

The BBC themselves say they're estimating. The SNP are up 6 seats up from 2012. Anything else is just changing the goal posts.

2012: 425
2017: 431

But the fact of the matter is that the SNP won out the park today. Even when the other two biggest parties in Scotland basically ran the same campaign on 'no 2nd indy ref'. You're probably just peeved about that I do understand. However I've said it already many times here these council and this GE won't change anything in Scotland going forward.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The BBC themselves say they're estimating. The SNP are up 6 seats up from 2012. Anything else is just changing the goal posts.

2012: 425
2017: 431

But the fact of the matter is that the SNP won out the park today. Even when the other two biggest parties in Scotland basically ran the same campaign on 'no 2nd indy ref'. You're probably just peeved about that I do understand. However I've said it already many times here these council and this GE won't change anything in Scotland going forward.

The posts HAVE moved though - boundary changes.
Spin it all you want; my response is the same as to Ssssss:
"I bet you're not at all bothered about the GE in June either, are you?"

In which case why are you posting; according to your train of thought it's all but done & dusted.
:rotfl:

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

And are notionally down. You left that bit out didn't you. On purpose I bet.

Awww, you're a bit annoyed at me. Don't make things personal I only had one ballot paper the same as anyone else. Fab result for the SNP though.

The Tory gains are very noteworthy, but also worth remembering that gap between SNP and Lab was only 30 seats in 2012 (424 to 394). Tories in fact only a handful of seats ahead of Labour - yes they have supplanted them, but trail SNP by 150+ seats.

Still long way to go until they are seriously challenging them. We'll see at #GE17 . Of course, locally what really matters now is who cuts deals w/ who.

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But the fact of the matter is that the SNP won out the park today. Even when the other two biggest parties in Scotland basically ran the same campaign on 'no 2nd indy ref'. You're probably just peeved about that I do understand. However I've said it already many times here these council and this GE won't change anything in Scotland going forward.

If the SNP was winning the argument about a second referendum being required then they would've had those seats from Labour instead of the Tories doing it.

Making out the SNP only campaigned on local issues whilst everyone else only campaigned on independence is a diversion.

I still think the SNP peak was the last general election.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Fab result for the SNP though.

See the machine is running at maximum RPM spin to disguise the disappointment. Certainly not the outcome that was hoped for with the GE a matter of weeks away. Numbness setting in perhaps. In reaction to the endless games that are being played. .

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

The posts HAVE moved though - boundary changes.
Spin it all you want; my response is the same as to Ssssss:
"I bet you're not at all bothered about the GE in June either, are you?"

In which case why are you posting; according to your train of thought it's all but done & dusted.
:rotfl:

No Jock. You and others like you are pinning every single hope you have on stopping a second referendum or vote on the Tories making a hugely significant revival in Scotland to the extent they take more than half of all Scottish seats. This. is. not. going. to. happen. And it certainly didn't happen today despite high hopes of it at the start of the day.

I logged on to chortling about how myself and other indy posters were 'being quiet' and the silence is deafening..well you certainly don't seem to like it any more when we're not do you ? So make up your mind on that one.

The SNP now dominate in council elections, in Holyrood elections, and in Westminster elections. The request for a second indy ref still exists from the Scottish Parliament. A few Tory gains, if they happen in a few weeks time ? Changes nothing. You're pinning your hopes and Shaka's 'final nail's on gawd knows what because I sure still don't know what you are basing it on.