The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

So your complaint is that the "Scottish media" is demonstrating the wrong kind of bias.

Hilarious.:rotfl:

No lol. Just that they're mostly and traditonally Labour leaning. They've focused SO much fire and almost exclusively on the SNP over the last few years as the biggest threat to the Labour party, they forgot about the Tories completely.

I've no complaints. Just pointing it out as someone who's family members still read the Daily Record and the Herald every day. Scottish media has been almost 100% solid on endorsing the Union. So much so, they forgot that there was another party with far better credentials on that score than they can ever hope for. Over the past few years they've normalised voting Tory to keep the SNP out in a bid to 'save' the Union. And killed their own party in Scotland as a result ( starting with BetterTogether ).

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

SNP MP Alex Salmond speaking in Aberdeen

Will that be the same Tories that (as I speak) have just added 137 local councils seats? :T:T

Not enough.

Now looks clear that SNP will be largest party in Scotland's four biggest cities - Dundee, Aberdeen, Edinburgh... and Glasgow. Momentous.

For a party in power for over 10 years now, a fantastic result. Vote has held up very solidly indeed.

AnotherJoe

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That wasn't the point. No one would argue that France, Germany, Malta, Spain etc aren't independent countries by the very definition of the word. Should Scotland vote for independence, then 'independent in the EU' isn't a contradiction.

This "no one" would, since they clearly are not independent in the everyday sense of that word.

If you want to go all Bill Clinton and argue that independence just means what you want it to mean, then we are in Alice in Wonderland territory, where sure, Scotland would be independent apart from - being able to pass its own laws on taxation, vat, customs, jurisprudence, who can enter the country, who is able to claim benefits, who can work there and so on.

Sure, yes, apart from that they are "independent".

Shakethedisease

AnotherJoe wrote: »

This "no one" would, since they clearly are not independent in the everyday sense of that word.

If you want to go all Bill Clinton and argue that independence just means what you want it to mean, then we are in Alice in Wonderland territory, where sure, Scotland would be independent apart from - being able to pass its own laws on taxation, vat, customs, jurisprudence, who can enter the country, who is able to claim benefits, who can work there and so on.

Sure, yes, apart from that they are "independent".

Fully independent countries who are members of the EU. Too difficult a concept for you ? No one was talking about anything else when we were talking about contradictions.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not enough.

For a party in power for over 10 years now, a fantastic result. Vote has held up very solidly indeed.

But it shouldn't have "held up" should it?
It should have increased.
If what you have been preaching is correct, the SNP should have been winning at least some of the seats the Tories have taken.
It hasn't and they haven't.

I told you before, Scots are wising up.
They are beginning to recognise the SNP for the ineffective single-argument divisive rabble that they are.
This is just the beginning.
Hurrah say I.

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Is Indyref2 now dead or are they dreaming of a dead cat bounce next month?

This has to be a disaster for the SNP.

Even before the dust settles Shakey's response is that is because they haven't been negative enough with the tories.

How the heck do the SNP expect to win when their only plan is to attack the opposition rather than espousing your own positives.

The worm is turning, it will be utter panic at Nat Towers over the next month. Best get the defibrillator ready your going to need it.

Why is a disaster for the SNP though. That's what I don't understand. Surely this is more a disaster for Labour ? The Tory vote share is still miles behind the SNP. And in FPTP unfortunately for the Tories getting 25 to 30 % of the vote doesn't actually translate to seats.

I think you're being a little premature. I'd slip the champers back in the fridge if I were you.

In 2012, @theSNP were 31 seats ahead of second place, so far they're 123 ahead of second. #Council17

Ross Colquhoun‏.@theSNP are now 154 ahead of second place with 427 councillors elected, already 2 more than 2012.

Final result from Glasgow City Council: SNP 39, Lab 31, Con 8, Green 7

TrickyTree83

Sturgeon on Sky News.

What a fibber!

Still telling the lies that the SNP are the only party to stand up to the Conservatives in Westminster.

Projections from these results put the Conservatives on ~350 MP's in Westminster, even if the SNP kept their current numbers they cannot oppose anything if that bloc votes as one. Let alone the current number of SNP's is guaranteed to drop.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why is a disaster for the SNP though. That's what I don't understand. Surely this is more a disaster for Labour ? The Tory vote share is still miles behind the SNP. And in FPTP unfortunately for the Tories getting 25 to 30 % of the vote doesn't actually translate to seats.

I think you're being a little premature. I'd slip the champers back in the fridge if I were you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/8201e79d-41c0-48f1-b15c-d7043ac30517/scotland-local-elections-2017

There's the truth for you.

Oh, btw, add up all the unionist party numbers

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

But it shouldn't have "held up" should it?
It should have increased.
If what you have been preaching is correct, the SNP should have been winning at least some of the seats the Tories have taken.
It hasn't and they haven't.

I told you before, Scots are wising up.
They are beginning to recognise the SNP for the ineffective single-argument divisive rabble that they are.
This is just the beginning.
Hurrah say I.

Of course it should hold up. There's a natural ceiling on things after this long in power. Just as there's a natural ceiling on Unionist/Tory support.

The middle ground however ( Labour/Lib Dems ) is leaving the field.

SNP secured as biggest party @ all levels in Scotland
Tories reap reward of unionist alignment
Greens established/growing
Labour & LibDems..

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Of course it should hold up. There's a natural ceiling on things after this long in power. Just as there's a natural ceiling on Unionist/Tory support.

The middle ground however ( Labour/Lib Dems ) is leaving the field.

You're fooling yourself.

The SNP may be in control because the "indy" vote primarily backs the SNP, but the union vote is split. Combined they dwarf the SNP.

Translate that to a binary referendum option.

Bummer eh?

I guess there's just not enough stupid people in Scotland, you should be proud.