The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/8201e79d-41c0-48f1-b15c-d7043ac30517/scotland-local-elections-2017

There's the truth for you.

Oh, btw, add up all the unionist party numbers

Why ? There's still two years and 1 hard Brexit to come till another ref. So let's just put that to the side for a bit eh.

SNP 431, Tories 276 ? And this is a disaster for the SNP how exactly ? Labour down - 133, SNP -7. You and folks like Shaka are looking far too desperate for to see this as anything other than a good result for the SNP and a disaster for Labour.

The Tories garnered the unionist vote sure.. and they will in the GE. But will make very little difference indeed to the overall position going forward after June 8th. Sorry. And Dugdale has just been on the telly carping on about the SNP again instead of her own disaster and the Tories that took so many seats from her party. She's got to go, and soon if Scottish Labour are ever to come back.

AnotherJoe

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Fully independent countries who are members of the EU. Too difficult a concept for you ? No one was talking about anything else when we were talking about contradictions.

Its 'too difficult' because its an oxymoron. "We hate being in the UK because we dont have control of our laws taxes and borders. We want to be in the EU so that, errm...."

Humpty, once you are a member of the EU, you are no longer, by definition, "fully independent". You have traded your full independence for the perceived benefits. I have no issue with that.

But to then pretend you are fully independent, is disengenous at best.

To repeat myself, but this time ask for an actual answer, how can you be "fully independent"when you do not have full control of your borders, your tax, or your laws ?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You're fooling yourself.

The SNP may be in control because the "indy" vote primarily backs the SNP, but the union vote is split. Combined they dwarf the SNP.

Translate that to a binary referendum option.

Bummer eh?

I guess there's just not enough stupid people in Scotland, you should be proud.

A binary referendum in two years time. Just think how much has changed in the last two. Try not to think of these two elections right now as mini independence refs. They're not.

Shakethedisease

AnotherJoe wrote: »

Its 'too difficult' because its an oxymoron. "We hate being in the UK because we dont have control of our laws taxes and borders. We want to be in the EU so that, errm...."

Humpty, once you are a member of the EU, you are no longer, by definition, "fully independent". You have traded your full independence for the perceived benefits. I have no issue with that.

But to then pretend you are fully independent, is disengenous at best.

To repeat myself, but this time ask for an actual answer, how can you be "fully independent"when you do not have full control of your borders, your tax, or your laws ?

So France, Germany, Spain, Malta and all the other countries who are members of the EU aren't independent countries... riiiiiiiiiiight.. Moving on.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

But it shouldn't have "held up" should it?
It should have increased.

It did in the end.

Scotland #LE2017 results by seats won
SNP 431 (+6)
CON 276 (+161)
LAB 262 (-132)
OTHER 172 (-24)
LD 67 (-4)
GRN 19 (+5)

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why is a disaster for the SNP though. That's what I don't understand.

I know it is not a true reflection but it does give some pointers to where the SNP are (I will be interested to see the popular vote).

They have taken only 35% of the council seats that is not an endorsement for indyref2.

But let's see what the share of the popular vote is, I bet it is not a million miles away from 35%.

indyref2 is dead in the water and the final nail will come in June.

Edit:- I suspect we can't really generate a popular vote figure with the SVT system

wotsthat

AnotherJoe wrote: »

To repeat myself, but this time ask for an actual answer, how can you be "fully independent"when you do not have full control of your borders, your tax, or your laws ?

The UK is fully independent. She agrees to pool sovereignty in certain matters. It's disingenuous to suggest the UK isn't fully independent as a result because parliament remains sovereign and can decide tomorrow to withdraw from these agreements.

Scotland could be fully independent as an EU member but what the SNP are saying is they'd prefer to pool sovereignty with the EU rather than the UK. When you see it in those terms it becomes clearer what they're about i.e. Brexit is a made up reason for independence and if it wasn't Brexit they'd have another 'compelling' reason why Scotland should be independent.

The polls indicate Scots aren't buying it

wotsthat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It did in the end.

The SNP picked up 6 seats on a day when Labour lost 132.

The Tories more than doubled their number.

I doubt there will be many celebrations in SNP towers.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It did in the end.

Naughty naughty.
No it did not.

National councils scoreboard
National councils scoreboard
Party Councils Seats
CouncilsTotal Councils Change+/- SeatsTotal Seats Change+/-

Independent Councils Total3 Councils Change—- Seats Total172 Seats Change−26

SNP Councils Total0 Councils Change−1 Seats Total431 Seats Change−7

Conservative Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total276 Seats Change+164

Labour Councils Total0 Councils Change−3 Seats Total262 Seats Change−133

Liberal Democrat Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total67 Seats Change−3

Green Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total19 Seats Change+5

Liberal Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total0 Seats Change—-

Residents' Association Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total0 Seats Change—-

UKIP Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total0 Seats Change—-

No Overall Control Councils Total29 Councils Change+4 Seats Total—- Seats Change—-
After 32 of 32 councils Seat change compared with 2012


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/8201e79d-41c0-48f1-b15c-d7043ac30517/scotland-local-elections-2017

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

The SNP picked up 6 seats on a day when Labour lost 132.

The Tories more than doubled their number.

I doubt there will be many celebrations in SNP towers.

But they didn't.
The SNP lost seven - and a council.Dundee.

Seats

Con Seats:276 Change in seats:+164
Lab Seats:262 Change in seats:−133
Lib Dem Seats:67 Change in seats:−3
SNP Seats:431 Change in seats:−7
Green Seats:19 Change in seats:+5
Other Seats:172 Change in seats:−26

http://election.news.sky.com/scotland-local-council-elections-14