The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

beecher2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Hey, I'm only quoting the Daily Record - tell them, not me.
And it was Ayr West BTW.

But unlike Clackmannanshire then?
Or Fergulsie Park?
Or (which one to choose next?) ......;)

Ayr West covers Doonfoot, Belleisle, Alloway and I think along the Old Racecourse too - not really a surprise.

Ferguslie and Shettleston are however a big shock. And Cowdenbeath!! The political background to this is fascinating really and the unintended consequences of the independence vote really do continue to work their way through Scottish politics. Have to wonder how the consititional question ever gets answered really - wonder if Scottish politics will ever go back to right - left rather than unionist - nationalist.

Shakethedisease

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

What are you talking about?
The SNP are not taking a beating in these elections.

Labour are being ditched in favour of Conservatives is the general picture.

I need to read up more on the council election rules, as each ward appears to be set up so that there is a split of representation.

It's not very reflective of what the GE will be

It's the Labour party that's the real story here. People far too focused on the SNP's performance which is holding up well even in Mundell territory.

Britain Elects :- Dumfries & Galloway composition:
CON: 16 (+2)
LAB: 11 (-4)
SNP: 11: (+1)
LDEM: 1 (-)
OTH: 4 (-3)

Where will the Labour/Scottish Labour party go after this and June 8th ? Again though, STV and how it works is beyond me.

beecher2

The Green party have done well - pleased to have a Green as one of my 4 councillors. Hoping the figures stack up to have SNP/Green in charge in Glasgow.

Labour holding onto North Lanarkshire probably says more about the infighting amongst SNP there I think.

Wonder if Labour will go into coalition with the tories anywhere? Interesting times, as is now the norm!

Shakethedisease

beecher2 wrote: »

Ayr West covers Doonfoot, Belleisle, Alloway and I think along the Old Racecourse too - not really a surprise.

Ferguslie and Shettleston are however a big shock. And Cowdenbeath!! The political background to this is fascinating really and the unintended consequences of the independence vote really do continue to work their way through Scottish politics. Have to wonder how the consititional question ever gets answered really - wonder if Scottish politics will ever go back to right - left rather than unionist - nationalist.

I agree, it's polarised to the extent where Labour and Lib Dems are getting knocked out of the game. And for those that will insist that it's only the SNP doing the polarising, I would have a read of a few of Davidson's recent leaflet drops.

A lot now rests on Scottish Labour shoulders and where they and their voters left go next. Scottish media is also going to have to have a long hard look at itself. Since 2007 and especially since 2011 Labour and it's media up here has been so blinded trying to be anti-SNP, anti independence that it's forgotten to be anti-Tory. :cool:

Shakethedisease

beecher2 wrote: »

The Green party have done well - pleased to have a Green as one of my 4 councillors. Hoping the figures stack up to have SNP/Green in charge in Glasgow.

Labour holding onto North Lanarkshire probably says more about the infighting amongst SNP there I think.

Wonder if Labour will go into coalition with the tories anywhere? Interesting times, as is now the norm!

Tom Harris ( ultra unionist ) says not ! Prof Mitchel speaking a bit of sense too.

Tom Harris, a minister in Tony Blair's last Labour government and one of its most stridently Unionist figures in Scotland, said the party had to ape the SNP and announce a formal policy on no coalitions with the Tories.

Professor Mitchel warned that a poor performance at local level would see Labour lose its tier of footsoldiers and connections into communities and grassroots concerns.

He said: "Attacking the SNP and focusing on opposition to independence isn't working. Labour has been much more effective in opposing the Tories when it has turned its attention on the UK governing party than it has the SNP. Indeed, Labour is more likely to win back support from the SNP by attacking the Tories.
"The last thing Labour wants to be doing at a local level is forming coalitions with the Tories, whose cause it has been assisting in recent years and whose stance on the constitutional issue simply confirms the Tories agenda.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15266433.Labour__39_s_survival_hinging_on_SNP_council_alliances__expert_warns/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

The latest from Sky news (because I find STV impossible too) after 24 councils have reported:

SCOTLAND Local Council Elections

• Con Councils: 0 Change in councils: 0
• Lab Councils: 0 Change in councils: −2
• Lib Dem Councils: 0 Change in councils: 0
• SNP Councils: 0 Change in councils: −1
• Green Councils: 0 Change in councils: 0
• NOC/Other Councils: 24 Change in councils: +3

Councils In 24/32 Seats

• Con Seats:196 Change in seats:+108
• Lab Seats:147 Change in seats:−70
• Lib Dem Seats:44 Change in seats:−4
• SNP Seats:267 Change in seats:−18
• Green Seats:3 Change in seats:0
• Other Seats:137 Change in seats:−16

http://election.news.sky.com/scotland-local-council-elections-14

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I agree, it's polarised to the extent where Labour and Lib Dems are getting knocked out of the game. And for those that will insist that it's only the SNP doing the polarising, I would have a read of a few of Davidson's recent leaflet drops.

A lot now rests on Scottish Labour shoulders and where they and their voters left go next. Scottish media is also going to have to have a long hard look at itself. Since 2007 and especially since 2011 Labour and it's media up here has been so blinded trying to be anti-SNP, anti independence that it's forgotten to be anti-Tory. :cool:

Give over.

The SNP have been polarising since the early 20th century.

Playing them at their own game in recent elections doesn't hold a candle to the SNP's antics.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

... Scottish media is also going to have to have a long hard look at itself. Since 2007 and especially since 2011 Labour and it's media up here has been so blinded trying to be anti-SNP, anti independence that it's forgotten to be anti-Tory.

So your complaint is that the "Scottish media" is demonstrating the wrong kind of bias.

Hilarious.:rotfl:

Shaka_Zulu

Is Indyref2 now dead or are they dreaming of a dead cat bounce next month?

This has to be a disaster for the SNP.

Even before the dust settles Shakey's response is that is because they haven't been negative enough with the tories.

How the heck do the SNP expect to win when their only plan is to attack the opposition rather than espousing your own positives.

The worm is turning, it will be utter panic at Nat Towers over the next month. Best get the defibrillator ready your going to need it.

Shaka_Zulu

Scotland will be the only country on this isle standing up to them Tories. They may have run a strong campaign here, but SNP will still prevail.

SNP MP Alex Salmond speaking in Aberdeen

Will that be the same Tories that (as I speak) have just added 137 local councils seats? :T:T