The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Enterprise_1701C

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That wasn't the point. No one would argue that France, Germany, Malta, Spain etc aren't independent countries by the very definition of the word. Should Scotland vote for independence, then 'independent in the EU' isn't a contradiction.

They may currently be superficially independent but they are not free. They are not the only ones that make their laws, they cannot use their own currency, their court is not supreme and can be overruled by the ecj. And it is the ambition of the eu for ever closer unity that I am talking about, this means that they want the eu to become one country, it is their professed aim to become a European Superstate. Does that sound like independence to you?

kelpie35

The very clever people of Scotland, me being one of them, are finally showing Sturgeon what an idiot she is.

Come on Ruth and Theresa show the country how clever we can be on June 8th

Conrad

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That wasn't the point. No one would argue that France, Germany, Malta, Spain etc aren't independent countries by the very definition of the word. Should Scotland vote for independence, then 'independent in the EU' isn't a contradiction.

Context is everything. SNP are specifically making case for autonomy and independence but then watering this confidence down by tethering this to significantly handing away democracy to Brussels.


This undermines the case.


Have the bottle to be in dependent like Australia or Canada, don't be so timid and small horizoned

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Does anyone notice how quiet this thread is now that it is known that Labour has lost control of Glasgow and across the board the Tories seem to be making gains in Scotland?

I wonder why it's so quiet?

Tromking

A Tory wins in the East End of Glasgow I hear?
Time to pass around the hemlock Shakey?

kelpie35

It is quiet because the snp are now realising how stupid they are and can't take the backlash

Come on Ruth and Theresa

Shaka_Zulu

Shakeys Council:-

North Ayrshire result

Scottish Labour and the SNP have finished tied on 11 seats. That is a loss of 2 seats for Labour and 4 for the SNP from the previous election.

The Conservatives have gained 6 seats in this election to win 7.

Shaka_Zulu

Tory candidate 'shocked' at victory in Glasgow's east end

The Scottish Conservatives' first councillor in Shettleston said he was "shocked" to win in the east end of Glasgow, a former Labour stronghold.

Thomas Kerr, 20, put his win down to opposition to another Scottish independence referendum.

He said: "I'm shocked as well, when you stand as a candidate for the Conservatives in the east end of Glasgow you don't expect something like this to happen, but I think people recognised I'm a local voice and will stand up for local issues.

"They wanted to send a message to Nicola Sturgeon that they don't want a second referendum."

Shaka_Zulu

It looks as if the working class Tory vote, and the middle class vote, is making a comeback.

STV News political editor Bernard Ponsonby

Who would ever have thought that, unbelievable turnaround!

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Shakeys Council:-

North Ayrshire result

Scottish Labour and the SNP have finished tied on 11 seats. That is a loss of 2 seats for Labour and 4 for the SNP from the previous election.

The Conservatives have gained 6 seats in this election to win 7.

:T

AS I say earlier, quiet eh?
The silence is deafening.

I like this from the Daily Record:

Political earthquake in South Ayrshire as Tories get all three of their candidates elected in Ayr West ward.

See that; "political earthquake".
I can't wait to see what spin our pro-SNP contingent put on this.