The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Fixed that for you.

There was no need.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Why do you believe it's best for the people in Scotland when we can show that there are 4 times as many jobs at risk from independence as there are from Brexit in the worst case scenario?

In the first instand, you're looking at this from a very short term view.
If there is a short term risk, I still believe, in the long term, we are better positioned to look after ourselves.

Its strange that you are also being firm on the risk to the relationship with the rUK, whereas we would want to agree a beneficial solution for all sides.

Its a similar things with Brexit, both sides will want to come to a mutually agreeable position that enables a strong market.

IveSeenTheLight

elantan wrote: »

Kezia has just been on the TV first words out her mouth indy ref ... she spoke about it for 30-40 seconds then said that labour would be campaigning on different grounds ... but then went back to indy ref ... I don't think she was aware .. it's all the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems go on about, they do the SNP''s work for them ... the SNP barely need to mention it

Interestingly, I'll be looking at each parties manifest for what they are going to do FOR Scotland.
Not what are they going to stop.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Equally possible that someone pro-indy did this to make the unionist side look awful. Until they prove who did it and why judgement should be reserved.

That's what I said ... did you no read it ... although I can't remember did you say that about the stickers ? Did you say it couldve been No campaigners ? Or is it only when things are done by opponents of the SNP that people think let's hold on it till we find out more cause it could be the SNP ?

I did also know that some one would say this so thanks

elantan

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Interestingly, I'll be looking at each parties manifest for what they are going to do FOR Scotland.
Not what are they going to stop.

Me too and hopefully many more people in Scotland will as well

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

There was no need.



In the first instand, you're looking at this from a very short term view.
If there is a short term risk, I still believe, in the long term, we are better positioned to look after ourselves.

Its strange that you are also being firm on the risk to the relationship with the rUK, whereas we would want to agree a beneficial solution for all sides.

Its a similar things with Brexit, both sides will want to come to a mutually agreeable position that enables a strong market.

Now that's where I will agree with you.

If there's a good deal between the EU and the UK then independence looks a better prospect - but what's the point then, there's no Brexit cliff edge and you can protect most of your jobs.

I also think the Brexit deal will be fine as it's in both parties interest.

But the SNP aren't saying any of this are they?

elantan

Hey Tricky did you answer my question and I missed it ?

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

What if you don't get any of that though ?

You can think what you like to be honest. But A) If you're absolutely convinced that the UK is going to get a good deal then you have very little evidence whatsoever to back it up given your post above. And If it isn't a good deal and the UK economy really does start going t**s up there's absolutely no reason why you should have to drag the Scots along with you for the ride if they don't wish to go. Why would you want to do that ? They didn't vote for it.

I'm sorry that neither you nor anyone else here with all their apparent vast knowledge of what a fab prospect Brexit is for us all can actually answer any questions regarding any detail of it 10 months on from actually voting for it. While at the same time carping on endlessly and demanding answers about every single little detail of Scottish independence on a vote that hasn't even been called yet. It's actually known as 'double standards' in most circles.

Solutions for NI and Gibraltar involve special deals for them remaining in the Single Market. And if they do get them Scotland will want the same special deal too. If they don't, then you're going to have some terrible conundrums to deal with going forward with Gib and NI and that's just the start of the negotiations.

If May leaves talks with no deal or a really bad one. Scotland won't be coming with you. The consequences of that compared to independence and 'some' semblance of a status quo ?.. independence will seem like easy street and there's no Spanish 'veto' to EFTA or the EU to worry about anymore. You'll already have well alienated them with screeching Daily Mail headlines and MP's talking about task forces by then.

You asked about what a good Brexit might be. I answered that in spite of reviewing no answer previously from you to the question of what was meant by a "Hard Brexit". Others have also given opinions on what is a Good Brexit since.

But having got an answer you give an response equivalent to sticking fingers in the ears and going " La. La. La. "

Then all that pretentious stuff about Scotland will do this or that. Lurching from La La Land to drivel mania.

Regarding little details of Scottish Independence, how about what currency, how you get the budget in order? Not little details, either of them.

Regarding the issues of NI and Gibraltar: first of all, Gibraltar is wanting the same deal as the UK, not insisting on remaining in the single market. So your statement is not correct on that score; but also there is no equivalent with Scotland for NI also. Ireland, a member state of the EU with a land border is actively working to achieve a special arrangement there because of the history and security aspects, which has no parallel with the Scottish situation. To claim otherwise is just SNP spin, not to be taken as anything other than self seeking spin. The Sturgeon so called "Compromise" was just a cynical ploy, recognisable as such after one glance.

Regarding the Spanish Veto, you've mentioned this once or twice before but I could not be bothered to call you out on it. But I will now.

The Spanish position has not changed recently. They stated that if as a result of a legal referendum Scotland should become independent, then Spain would not veto the application but that it would take a long time before it was enabled and Scotland became an EU Member. That is what the position was before and emphasises the necessity for the UK Government to agree to a request for a Referendum and sign off on it for Independence to be legal and constitutionally correct.

That is precisely what we have all been saying for some time now, namely that if a constitutionally correct Referendum result in a Leave decision then of course Scotland could join the EU

.... Eventually

.... And then it would be Goodbye Scottish Independence again.

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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Its a similar things with Brexit, both sides will want to come to a mutually agreeable position that enables a strong market.

Nope.

It's not a given that you arrive at a mutually agreeable position at all.

Just like with Brexit you have the conflicting interests between achieving a political victory and the pragmatics of trade.

You have to remember that a strong rUK stance in Scexit negotiations could be a vote winner down here, just as the opposite is true in Scotland.

May is proving right now how she is willing to use tactical politics to capture the right of centre voter, so why wouldn't she do it again?

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Hey remember how we made such a huge deal of some yes stickers stuck to the Donald Dewar statue ...

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/413804/forfar-town-centre-locked-politically-motivated-anthrax-threat/

Let's all be silent on this one eh . Doesn't happen it's all the fault of the Yes side ... no doubt it was them that did it but tried to blame someone else

Third similar style of attack in a month

Looks like some Unionists are taking Davidson and May's words literally. Messages saying they contain anthrax spores and the words “Get SNP out. Tories in”.

Imo Davidson needs to well tone the aggressive language down. She's been talking about 'weaponising' and using other warlike terms for months. She ain't in the TA anymore..

MSPs have been placed on alert after a series of suspicious packages containing "white powder" have been sent to politicians. Police Scotland and the head of security at the Scottish Parliament issued safety guidance to MSPs on Thursday after the incidents earlier this week.

A package was sent to SNP MP John Nicolson's constituency office in Kirkintilloch, East Dunbartonshire, on Tuesday, which sparked a response from emergency services.


On Wednesday, a similar delivery was made to the Municipal Buildings of the SNP-run Angus Council in Forfar, Angus.


A third package was also sent to the SNP headquarters in Edinburgh's Jackson's Entry on Tuesday.



Enquiries into the deliveries are ongoing, the police said. Head of parliament security Becky Thomson said all of the packages were "were associated with the forthcoming UK general election".

https://stv.tv/news/scotland/1386953-msps-on-alert-as-white-powder-sent-to-politicians/

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Its a similar things with Brexit, both sides will want to come to a mutually agreeable position that enables a strong market.

Both? Don't you mean all sides. After all the other 27 have their own agendas. Export/Import trade with Latvia is hardly a concern to them. Whereas for Bavaria 22% of cars built there are exported to the UK market. What some will want is the UK's money nothing else. Reaching a conclusive agreement isn't going to be easy. More so if Westminster rejects it as well.

If there is a short term risk, I still believe, in the long term, we are better positioned to look after ourselves.

Then get involved and steer the SNP forward. As hoping alone isn't enough. Requires everyone to contribute and offer ideas.