The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

WengerIn

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

The SNP manifesto for the GE in Scotland will undoubtedly be a case of the "The Emperor's New Clothes"

Those within the cult will not dare say anything against it, the rest of us will be left in wonderment at the complete lack of substance.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time, and it is time the SNP stop trying to treat the people of Scotland as fools.

I wonder what their webuyanyvote.com wheeze will be this time?

Here is an SNP leaflet from a few years ago:-

Says it all really.

Hopefully the bell is tolling for the Nats!

These are very real savings as they got Londoners to pay for it!

cogito

elantan wrote: »

No doubt if they had agreed you would be saying Salmond is still in charge and controlling Sturgeon and the SNP are a cult ... cause obviously we've never heard that before

Not so. If Sturgeon had said the GE was about independence, she and Salmond would have been telling the truth. If Salmond had said it wasn't about independence, he would have been lying.

So one of them is lying. Which one is it?

kabayiri

WengerIn wrote: »

A good deal is one that keeps supply chain intact; stops, or dramatically reduces, payments to the EU; and cuts immigration. AFAICS that's the very best case scenario.
...

There could easily be different facets to the resulting deal. Some, designed for public appeasement, both here and in the EU. Some, designed for short term continuance of trade, whilst longer term the inevitable separation will occur as our paths diverge.

Shakey seems to portray all this is within our (UK) control to define.

It is clearly not. The EU can't really afford politically to have the UK be seen to walk away completely victorious, but nor can they write off the soft underbelly states like Ireland as a casualty of a hard line deal.

It's a very uncertain period, and the SNP solution is to throw in the additional uncertainty of a Scexit on top. Classic !!

kabayiri

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

I've never heard of the SNP being called a 'cult' but Sturgeon is often refered to as something which sounds remarkably similar.

....by which you mean 'celt', clearly

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

No quite no power but it is limited power.
I guess that's why there is a [STRIKE]desire[/STRIKE] misplaced desire for independence in a minority [STRIKE]for Independence[/STRIKE] in order to [STRIKE]regain power[/STRIKE] give power back to Brussels.
This would allow our future generations to vote for parties and policies which they believe is best for the people in Scotland and still be dictated to by Brussels.

Fixed that for you.

Why do you believe it's best for the people in Scotland when we can show that there are 4 times as many jobs at risk from independence as there are from Brexit in the worst case scenario?

Lets not have "But, but, but", that's the situation, lets hear/read how that doesn't matter because the solution is ???

I've said many times that if Scottish independence made sense I wouldn't be arguing with you. So lets hear why it makes sense, why those 500,000 people should have their jobs put at risk instead of the 120,000. The reason for that's got to be an absolute stonker if the indy support is going to win the argument and any future referendum surely?

mollycat

cogito wrote: »

I honestly couldn't care less about the Union or events north of Berwick. The Scots can have their independence and I really wish they hadn't bottled it last time. By now we would be seeing what an complete horlicks they were making of the whole thing.

We didn't "bottle it"; we rejected a ridiculous idea out of hand.

We were born in the UK, we want to remain in the UK.

Just like yourself and the other non Scottish posters here.

elantan

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

I've never heard of the SNP being called a 'cult' but Sturgeon is often refered to as something which sounds remarkably similar.

Look back over this thread and the previous one ... look online it's about ... if u choose to look

elantan

cogito wrote: »

Not so. If Sturgeon had said the GE was about independence, she and Salmond would have been telling the truth. If Salmond had said it wasn't about independence, he would have been lying.

So one of them is lying. Which one is it?

Personal opinion, I think both are telling the truth, I think even if all parties in Scotland did not mention another indy ref the people will vote along Yes/No lines anyway ... the SNP being the Yes side the Tories being the No side, the Tories have not shut up about it, it's all over all their campaign media, Ruth mentions it constantly, this is working in her favour and the Tories will have more seats than many thought possible.

However, if you look at the SNP and Green campaign they both say it's about doing what's best for Scotland, the Greens have decided ( as far as I am aware) not to sit a person in Mundel''s seat as it became apparent they split the vote last time, the SNP and Greens have called the other parties to form an alliance against the Tories as they do not like the latest Tory ideas

All of that is an aside though, as I think when it comes to the ballot box in Scotland the vote will be down the Yes/No lines

In England and Wales I think the choice will be between the Stay/ Go lines of Brexit, the Tories are doing better there also, according to some polls the Tories will have their best results in Wales since 1850''s ...

In Ireland I think the vote will be between Leave/ Go as well but in a more unionist /Indy vibe

So as I say in my opinion I think both are right

Kezia has just been on the TV first words out her mouth indy ref ... she spoke about it for 30-40 seconds then said that labour would be campaigning on different grounds ... but then went back to indy ref ... I don't think she was aware .. it's all the Tories, Labour and Lib Dems go on about, they do the SNP''s work for them ... the SNP barely need to mention it

elantan

Hey remember how we made such a huge deal of some yes stickers stuck to the Donald Dewar statue ...

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/413804/forfar-town-centre-locked-politically-motivated-anthrax-threat/

Let's all be silent on this one eh . Doesn't happen it's all the fault of the Yes side ... no doubt it was them that did it but tried to blame someone else

Third similar style of attack in a month

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Hey remember how we made such a huge deal of some yes stickers stuck to the Donald Dewar statue ...

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/413804/forfar-town-centre-locked-politically-motivated-anthrax-threat/

Let's all be silent on this one eh . Doesn't happen it's all the fault of the Yes side ... no doubt it was them that did it but tried to blame someone else

Third similar style of attack in a month

Equally possible that someone pro-indy did this to make the unionist side look awful. Until they prove who did it and why judgement should be reserved.