The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Mortgagefreeman

The SNP Manifesto seems to be based on re arranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Priceless :rotfl:

Mortgagefreeman

antrobus wrote: »

That's why people have concluded that you are delusional.:)

That'll be the Bucky.

antrobus

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Oh dear indeed.

Thank you for that. So not only do they pass scrutiny from the UKSA (UK Statistics Authority), complying with international standards on statistics. But the SNP say they're a result of academic peer and public review! ..

GERS is a national statistic.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

..The figures might not say what will happen in an independent Scotland, but they certainly indicate where the Scotland of today is. That'll be £15bn in the red, every year, in a shrinking economy and oil contributing ~£60m was it?.. ..

Yes, £60m for 2015/16.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

....Shall we default now to the "well Scotland doesn't choose where some of that money goes!" argument now? And again point out that centralisation is cheaper than de-centralisation, as demonstrated by the SNP trying to centralise policing (which is a mistake given the nature of the role). Just look at the waste of money Holyrood is, all that time spent debating independence rather than the failing school system or the state of alcoholism in Scottish lives. Tut tut tut.

My recollection is that some 85% of GERS public spending is identifiable to Scotland; people know how much money is being spent on schools and hospitals in Scotland etc. The other 15% of non-identifiable spending is one stuff like international aid, defence, debt interest etc. GERS methodology attributes 8.3% of this to Scotland, because Scotland has 8.3% of the UK population. Which seems fair and reasonable.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What I or anyone else personally thinks a good Brexit deal looks like is irrelevant in the context of what the best and worst case scenarios mean for an independent Scotland.

The Union ( UK ) staying together depends on it being a good deal. And you voted for a 'good deal' outside the EU. But you haven't let us Scots know yet, what constitutes a good deal.

I'd like to know what you think. Is a Hard Brexit exiting the Single Market and customs union going to be a good thing for both the UK and Scotland.

You seem to think you know all there is to know about Scottish politics and the Scottish economy when you don't even live or have a vote there. Not too much given your level of expertise in knowing about these things.. to ask what you think a good Brexit deal is, especially when you voted for it 10 months ago.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Oh dear indeed.

Thank you for that. So not only do they pass scrutiny from the UKSA (UK Statistics Authority), complying with international standards on statistics. But the SNP say they're a result of academic peer and public review!

Aww, if only Shaka had looked a bit further down the twitter feed. Findlay isn't the brightest with his tweets it has to be said. Posting gifs of fat a**es usually being his thing these days.

from the UKSA (UK Statistics Authority)

The quote above is directly from the UKSA. Sorry Tricky.

Anyway the SNP never actually do say anything much about GERS. It's everyone else ( voters ) that don't trust them much anymore.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're heading for a hard Brexit. Out of the single market and out of the customs union with hardly any time to make up the trade difference. The EU are hardening their stance, as are Brexit voters against the EU who are returning in droves to a Tory party which is now UKIP in all but name. You're heading with for a disaster and it's time you woke up.

You're heading for a hard Brexit. The only thing to negotiate on over the next year or so is the exit bill, EU citizen's rights, NI and Gibraltar. None of these has anything to do with the SNP. And you're going to majorly p**s off Ireland and Spain.

May went for a GE because the polls are looking great and if she hadn't 20 or 30 of her MP's would be embroiled in an election expenses scandal. But mainly, because she wants five clear years. Rather than facing the public in 2019/20 just after securing a disasterous 'no deal' scenario and people like yourself finally face the realities of crashing out of the EU on WTO trade rules and what it will do to the UK economy.

The Scottish Parliament has until 2021 and it will take this further. So no, time is not running out for the SNP they still have four years to ask the Scottish public where they would prefer Scotland's future to lie. This GE is irrelevant to that.

Should May crash the UK out of the EU with 'no deal' and the UK economy starts taking a real hit. Then Scots have a route back in to avoid the worst of it. You're pretty much stuffed sadly. Sturgeon doesn't want to mess up negotiations, she wants Scotland to avoid what surely must be by now be pretty obvious to all a shockingly 'hard' Brexit and all it entails.

Tricky still despite being asked repeatedly still has no idea what a good Brexit deal will look like. I don't suppose you have any ideas on that do you ? What IS a good Brexit deal ?

Interesting reply that, full of pizz and vinegar. A sort of SNP Project fear. Practicing?

A good Brexit? why a solution for NI and for Gibraltar maintenance/recovery of good relations with Europe, maintenance of participation and cooperation in strategic technology areas, agreement on controlled but free movement of workers, tourists and students between the UK and the EU, reciprocal rights for security of rights etc for EU and British citizens, a trade deal with the EU which is consistent with the UK gaining the ability to agree it's own free trade or other agreements with other countries, a level of trade with the EU which together with the trade possibilities opened up by Brexit is at a higher level than that currently enjoyed, cancellation of the supremacy of EU law over British National laws (excepting what concerns the export of goods to the EU), continuation of fruitful cooperation on security and criminal issues, and last but certainly not least, an outcome which all parts of the UK, Inc!uding our beloved Scitland, find attractive and beneficial and gives our Union a bright future.

No doubt I've missed something, but I do believe all that is possible. It's not exactly rocket science.

I certainly don't recognise the nonsense about "Hard Brexit" I would remind you that it is just a spiteful political slogan used by wreckers who can't or won't think outside their wee box and contribute constructively to the way forward instead of fixating on "what was"; there is more to leaving the EU than being in the single market as a full member.

As for your snide remark containing:

Shakey wrote:

.... people like yourself ....

I would just remark that I, like most, am an individual and don't belong to a politically obsessed collective like some I could mention.

For them I would recommend therapy sessions with Acolytes Anonymous.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Aww, if only Shaka had looked a bit further down the twitter feed. Findlay isn't the brightest with his tweets it has to be said. Posting gifs of fat a**es usually being his thing these days.



The quote above is directly from the UKSA. Sorry Tricky.

Anyway the SNP never actually do say anything much about GERS. It's everyone else ( voters ) that don't trust them much anymore.

There you have it. The SNP rarely say anything about GERS but when their Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Constitution does speak about it, Shakey disagrees with him.

Shaka_Zulu

Sapphire wrote: »

'Isikhathi sokuba ngesigezo imikhonto'

Is this written in an actual language? If yes, wot does it say?

NB Sokuba is a bit like the Russian sobaka, for 'dog'...

Or is it in Klingon?

The clue is in the name.........lol!!

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're heading for a hard Brexit. Out of the single market and out of the customs union with hardly any time to make up the trade difference. The EU are hardening their stance, as are Brexit voters against the EU who are returning in droves to a Tory party which is now UKIP in all but name. You're heading with for a disaster and it's time you woke up.

The pot calling the kettle black...........

Shame there wasn't a positive contribution to the debate from the SNP. Rather than acting like children who've had their toys taken away.

mrginge

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The pot calling the kettle black...........

Shame there wasn't a positive contribution to the debate from the SNP. Rather than acting like children who've had their toys taken away.

There are two ways to approach increasing support for independence.

1. Play an active and contributory role in the UK, use the full powers available to the Scottish govt to demonstrate self-management. Make the case for more devolution by being credible. Work to improve the lot of the Scottish electorate above and beyond the rUK. Show Scotland as a valued partner within the UK and international stage.

2. Do as little as possible, complain about Westminster all the time and play the victim at every opportunity. Run down the Scottish economy and blame it all on Westminster. Have a massive sulk when asked to get on with things and spend all your time pandering to your core support.

Option 1 being the method of choice for a political party that actually has a clue how to achieve success.
Option 2 being the only choice for a protest group run by a load of incompetent chancers who have absolutely no idea how to do anything other than whinge.