The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Sapphire

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

The clue is in the name.........lol!!

Yes – I had noticed that, but thought the clue might be a bit too obvious, so didn't mention it.:rotfl:

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Holyrood has no power.

No quite no power but it is limited power.
I guess that's why there a desire for Independence in order to regain power.
This would allow our future generations to vote parties and policies which they beliege is best for the people in Scotland

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Interesting reply that, full of pizz and vinegar. A sort of SNP Project fear. Practicing?

A good Brexit? why a solution for NI and for Gibraltar maintenance/recovery of good relations with Europe, maintenance of participation and cooperation in strategic technology areas, agreement on controlled but free movement of workers, tourists and students between the UK and the EU, reciprocal rights for security of rights etc for EU and British citizens, a trade deal with the EU which is consistent with the UK gaining the ability to agree it's own free trade or other agreements with other countries, a level of trade with the EU which together with the trade possibilities opened up by Brexit is at a higher level than that currently enjoyed, cancellation of the supremacy of EU law over British National laws (excepting what concerns the export of goods to the EU), continuation of fruitful cooperation on security and criminal issues, and last but certainly not least, an outcome which all parts of the UK, Inc!uding our beloved Scitland, find attractive and beneficial and gives our Union a bright future.

What if you don't get any of that though ?

No doubt I've missed something, but I do believe all that is possible. It's not exactly rocket science.

I certainly don't recognise the nonsense about "Hard Brexit" I would remind you that it is just a spiteful political slogan used by wreckers who can't or won't think outside their wee box and contribute constructively to the way forward instead of fixating on "what was"; there is more to leaving the EU than being in the single market as a full member.

As for your snide remark containing:

I would just remark that I, like most, am an individual and don't belong to a politically obsessed collective like some I could mention.

For them I would recommend therapy sessions with Acolytes Anonymous.

You can think what you like to be honest. But A) If you're absolutely convinced that the UK is going to get a good deal then you have very little evidence whatsoever to back it up given your post above. And If it isn't a good deal and the UK economy really does start going t**s up there's absolutely no reason why you should have to drag the Scots along with you for the ride if they don't wish to go. Why would you want to do that ? They didn't vote for it.

I'm sorry that neither you nor anyone else here with all their apparent vast knowledge of what a fab prospect Brexit is for us all can actually answer any questions regarding any detail of it 10 months on from actually voting for it. While at the same time carping on endlessly and demanding answers about every single little detail of Scottish independence on a vote that hasn't even been called yet. It's actually known as 'double standards' in most circles.

Solutions for NI and Gibraltar involve special deals for them remaining in the Single Market. And if they do get them Scotland will want the same special deal too. If they don't, then you're going to have some terrible conundrums to deal with going forward with Gib and NI and that's just the start of the negotiations.

If May leaves talks with no deal or a really bad one. Scotland won't be coming with you. The consequences of that compared to independence and 'some' semblance of a status quo ?.. independence will seem like easy street and there's no Spanish 'veto' to EFTA or the EU to worry about anymore. You'll already have well alienated them with screeching Daily Mail headlines and MP's talking about task forces by then.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The pot calling the kettle black...........

Shame there wasn't a positive contribution to the debate from the SNP. Rather than acting like children who've had their toys taken away.

Angus Robertson did very well today. Managed to pin May down on pensions and the triple lock. Adam Boulton remarked afterwards that now we see why May won't do tv debates. Yes, quite.

Shakethedisease

mrginge wrote: »

Option 1 being the method of choice for a political party that actually has a clue how to achieve success.
Option 2 being the only choice for a protest group run by a load of incompetent chancers who have absolutely no idea how to do anything other than whinge.

You forgot to factor in the actual voters that vote for what these incompetent chancers are offering. Voting repeatedly for them, and doing so for over a decade as well. If that's your idea of a protest party, then Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and UKIP would all love to sign up, dreaming of similar decades in power where could only dream to achieve the same 'success'.

Oh and while we're at it seems Tricky still doesn't know what a good Brexit deal is 10 months after voting for all it's apparent advantages. Yet knows everything there possibly is to know about regional accounting and GERS. How...unexpected. I'm disappointed.

Anyone else want to tell us scotnat acolytes what a really good economic Brexit deal for Scotland and the UK is supposed to look like ? And not one that just looks like panicked damage limitation ?

WengerIn

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You forgot to factor in the actual voters that vote for what these incompetent chancers are offering. Voting repeatedly for them, and doing so for over a decade as well. If that's your idea of a protest party, then Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens and UKIP would all love to sign up, dreaming of similar decades in power where could only dream to achieve the same 'success'.

Oh and while we're at it seems Tricky still doesn't know what a good Brexit deal is 10 months after voting for all it's apparent advantages. Yet knows everything there possibly is to know about regional accounting and GERS. How...unexpected. I'm disappointed.

Anyone else want to tell us scotnat acolytes what a really good economic Brexit deal for Scotland and the UK is supposed to look like ? And not one that just looks like panicked damage limitation ?

A good deal is one that keeps supply chain intact; stops, or dramatically reduces, payments to the EU; and cuts immigration. AFAICS that's the very best case scenario.

The latter makes basically no difference to Scotland of course as net migration to Scotland in 2014-5, the latest year available, was 8,368 but seems to be important to the English.

Leaving your biggest trade partner for fear of losing your second biggest trading partner seems perverse to say the least but you are as entitled to hold weird views as I am. Especially as the English distaste for mass migration would mean a hard border between the countries (we can't have those wily Poles sneaking in on the 9:30am from Edinburgh Waverley to Kings X).

nrscotland.gov.uk/statistics-and-data/statistics/statistics-by-theme/migration/migration-statistics/migration-between-scotland-and-overseas

cogito

Yesterday, Nicola was saying that the GE was nothing to do with independence. Today, Wee Eck is saying that it is all about independence. The two biggest voices in the SNP can't agree on this. These clowns are as bad as the Labour party.

elantan

cogito wrote: »

Yesterday, Nicola was saying that the GE was nothing to do with independence. Today, Wee Eck is saying that it is all about independence. The two biggest voices in the SNP can't agree on this. These clowns are as bad as the Labour party.

No doubt if they had agreed you would be saying Salmond is still in charge and controlling Sturgeon and the SNP are a cult ... cause obviously we've never heard that before

Mortgagefreeman

elantan wrote: »

No doubt if they had agreed you would be saying Salmond is still in charge and controlling Sturgeon and the SNP are a cult ... cause obviously we've never heard that before

I've never heard of the SNP being called a 'cult' but Sturgeon is often refered to as something which sounds remarkably similar.

Shaka_Zulu

The SNP manifesto for the GE in Scotland will undoubtedly be a case of the "The Emperor's New Clothes"

Those within the cult will not dare say anything against it, the rest of us will be left in wonderment at the complete lack of substance.

You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can't fool all the people all the time, and it is time the SNP stop trying to treat the people of Scotland as fools.

I wonder what their webuyanyvote.com wheeze will be this time?

Here is an SNP leaflet from a few years ago:-



Says it all really.

Hopefully the bell is tolling for the Nats!