The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Perhaps not the best time to say 'I told you so' then?

Sturgeon has 'no plans' for snap election over indyref2 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39538076

It never rains, it pours. All that hyping up the Indy lot have been doing to themselves and each other does appear to affect their clarity of thought. There will of course be no admission that some of us said this outcome would not come to pass, in the face of staunch resistance I might add.

Tricky, you're very naive.

A snap election is one method to go ahead should all avenues be blocked at some point in the future, but Sturgeon already has a mandate for a referendum and there's really no need for another election just to get the same mandate for a referendum all over again.

Sturgeon's speech at the SNP conference stated several times 'There WILL be a referendum' ( not an election ). Safe to say referendum it is then, however that comes about.

There will be a second independence referendum, Nicola Sturgeon has insisted.

Ms Sturgeon made clear that "there will be an independence referendum", telling party activists that "Scotland's future must be Scotland's choice".
She added: "To stand in the way of a referendum would deny us that choice.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15166204.Watch_Live__Nicola_Sturgeon_s_SNP_Spring_Conference_speech/

davomcdave

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Tricky, you're very naive.

A snap election is one method to go ahead should all avenues be blocked at some point in the future, but Sturgeon already has a mandate for a referendum and there's really no need for another election just to get the same mandate for a referendum all over again.

Sturgeon's speech at the SNP conference stated several times 'There WILL be a referendum' ( not an election ). Safe to say referendum it is then, however that comes about.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15166204.Watch_Live__Nicola_Sturgeon_s_SNP_Spring_Conference_speech/

Sturgeon can't be given a mandate for a referendum.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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The rest of your facts are unknowns you're right. But I would correct you on the SNP thing and animosity towards them should there be a future Yes vote. Because it would be animosity towards a majority of Scots voters, which of course Westminster is free to display as it wishes.

It is my conjecture that voters do not like unknowns. Of course, Brexit was a counter to this argument. It could have been an anomaly.

I do think there is rising animosity. Nationalism doesn't only exist in Scotland, there is resurgent nationalism via UKIP in traditional Labour heartlands.

You want what is best for Scotland in any negotiations. I would want rUK government to fight tooth and nail for any advantage we could secure in a future independence negotiation. From day 1 of an independent Scotland you would become a competitor.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

...A snap election is one method to go ahead should all avenues be blocked at some point in the future, but Sturgeon already has a mandate for a referendum and there's really no need for another election just to get the same mandate for a referendum all over again.../

Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans for a snap election at Holyrood to break the deadlock over a second independence referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39538076

Shakethedisease

davomcdave wrote: »

Sturgeon can't be given a mandate for a referendum.

The SNP and the Greens won that mandate last year. There's little point in May or Davidson ( as she has been doing ) insisting that it be won all over again for a referendum in either a snap or in the 2021 election. What's the use of that if Westminster are just going to say 'now is not the time' every time it happens.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

It is my conjecture that voters do not like unknowns. Of course, Brexit was a counter to this argument. It could have been an anomaly.

I do think there is rising animosity. Nationalism doesn't only exist in Scotland, there is resurgent nationalism via UKIP in traditional Labour heartlands.

You want what is best for Scotland in any negotiations. I would want rUK government to fight tooth and nail for any advantage we could secure in a future independence negotiation. From day 1 of an independent Scotland you would become a competitor.

The same would be true of Scots wanting the Scottish Govt to fight tooth and nail. But it's not like independent countries all over the world have don't have other independent countries right next door or even surrounding them. That's normal.

The Section 30 is still in May's court at the moment. She needs to respond to the official request she got last week with a Yay or Nay. 'Now is not the time' isn't good enough.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon has said she has no plans for a snap election at Holyrood to break the deadlock over a second independence referendum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39538076

Newsflash :- Sturgeon rules out something she never ruled in.

Sturgeon's speech at the SNP conference stated several times 'There WILL be a referendum' ( not an election ). Safe to say referendum it is then, however that comes about.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

'Now is not the time' isn't good enough.

It's good enough for the vast majority of Scots.

Shaka_Zulu

It just got worse for the Nats

700,000 adults would consider leaving Scotland if there was a Yes vote.

When undecided voters are excluded, the Yes vote stands at 46% and No support is at 54%.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13172086.Poll__700_000_adults_would_consider_leaving_Scotland_if_there_was_a_Yes_vote/?ref=twtrec

sss555s

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

It just got worse for the Nats

700,000 adults would consider leaving Scotland if there was a Yes vote.

When undecided voters are excluded, the Yes vote stands at 46% and No support is at 54%.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13172086.Poll__700_000_adults_would_consider_leaving_Scotland_if_there_was_a_Yes_vote/?ref=twtrec

Do you drive a DeLorean? That article was from 27 Jul 2014 :rotfl: