The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why don't you ? You know by now what powers the Scottish Govt has and doesn't have. So why don't you lay it on the line what you would do. I'll wait..

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10726/robin-mcalpine-economy-isnt-scotlands-problem-its-everyone-londons-problem

So I'll wait MSJock and see what you think Nicola should do with the powers she has given you are so adamant that the powers are there to avert this 'recession'. Am all ears too. But also bear in mind that the Scottish Govt was never designed and set up to have much or indeed any effect on the Scottish economy whatsoever.

I'll discredit this when I get chance.

Edit: I was mulling this over as I was getting ready to go out and it dawned on me that they are saying not to compare Scotland to a country, yet they are comparing Scotland a semi-autonomous region with vastly more power than that of London and the South East to... London and the South East. If the Conservatives were getting things so wrong, why is the rest of the UK doing well and Scotland not? Perhaps because they're not really in control of the economy of Scotland, that'd be the Scottish government and they just want to blame Westminster, and the indy support wants to also.

Already it's an illogical argument.

But I'll pick it apart some more later. Bye!

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why don't you ? You know by now what powers the Scottish Govt has and doesn't have. So why don't you lay it on the line what you would do. I'll wait..

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10726/robin-mcalpine-economy-isnt-scotlands-problem-its-everyone-londons-problem

So I'll wait MSJock and see what you think Nicola should do with the powers she has given you are so adamant that the powers are there to avert this 'recession'. Am all ears too. But also bear in mind that the Scottish Govt was never designed and set up to have much or indeed any effect on the Scottish economy whatsoever.

Hmmm, well, this is what it says on the main Scot.gov site:
Responsibilities include the economy, education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport, taxation.

And on another site it sets out its economic strategy and even has a plan for growing the economy:

We aim to make Scotland a more successful country, with opportunities for all, through growing our economy in a sustainable (steady and long-enduring) way.
Our Economic Strategy sets out our approach for achieving this, based around increasing competitiveness and tackling inequality.
Actions

Our Economic Strategy highlights four key priorities for supporting sustainable economic growth in Scotland:

• investing in people and infrastructure to safeguard Scotland's future
• fostering a culture of innovation and research and development
• stimulating inclusive growth and creating opportunity through a fair and inclusive jobs market
• promoting Scotland on the international stage to boost our trade, investment, influence and networks

Our delivery of the Economic Strategy is supported by:

• consulting on the economy with partners and stakeholders to determine how best to achieve our aims
• taking advice from the Council of Economic Advisers on how to make Scotland's economy more competitive
• producing economic statistics and publications to provide detailed information on Scotland’s economy and evidence for economic policy
• the National Performance Framework and Scotland Performs, whose targets and indicators measure and report progress towards improving Scotland’s performance

https://beta.gov.scot/policies/economic-growth/

So, what went wrong.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make here. But the Scottish Parliament is in recess ie on holiday for Easter. No one is doing the day job right now.

Hopefully more goes on than just events in the Scottish Parliament.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

So, what went wrong.

There was no plan B.

Blaming Westminster has run it's course.

Tromking

Just two observations.
If the Scottish economy was out performing the rUK wee Nicola would be atop the Edinburgh Castle ramparts telling everyone it was all down to her SNP Government and the SNP were offered full fiscal autonomy by Westminster but kicked into the long grass because it meant giving up 'Barnett'. How are these jokers so popular in Scotland?

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Hmmm, well, this is what it says on the main Scot.gov site:
Responsibilities include the economy, education, health, justice, rural affairs, housing, environment, equal opportunities, consumer advocacy and advice, transport, taxation.

And on another site it sets out its economic strategy and even has a plan for growing the economy:

https://beta.gov.scot/policies/economic-growth/

So, what went wrong.

You're describing what the money from the Barnett Formula goes towards in devolved responsibilities. Not fixing a recession with it. Feel free to get your thinking cap on a bit more realistically should you choose to respond. The tools we have so far are raising income tax, borrowing teeny amounts and air passenger duty.

But if you can up with anything else we've all missed which will enable Sturgeon to 'fix' the entire Scottish economy then let us all know. Since you seem to know better.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'll discredit this when I get chance.

Edit: I was mulling this over as I was getting ready to go out and it dawned on me that they are saying not to compare Scotland to a country, yet they are comparing Scotland a semi-autonomous region with vastly more power than that of London and the South East to... London and the South East. If the Conservatives were getting things so wrong, why is the rest of the UK doing well and Scotland not? Perhaps because they're not really in control of the economy of Scotland, that'd be the Scottish government and they just want to blame Westminster, and the indy support wants to also.

Already it's an illogical argument.

But I'll pick it apart some more later. Bye!

It's quite simple.

Scotland when the UK is divided up into regions is doing quite well. But compared with rUK as a whole, with London in particular skewing the averages it's 'appears' to be lagging behind the rest of the UK.

The article is saying it's not a valid comparison to make, and that most of the UK is near 'recession' when treated on a comparative region by region basis. Take London/SE out of the equation and it's a different picture entirely.

Scotland isn't a semi-autonomous region. It has devolved responsibilities and gets a block grant to deal with them. But yes, feel free to debunk the methodology of the article and what powers Holyrood has to deal with a recession while most fiscal and monetary powers lie elsewhere. Love to hear your answers on that.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Just two observations.
If the Scottish economy was out performing the rUK wee Nicola would be atop the Edinburgh Castle ramparts telling everyone it was all down to her SNP Government and the SNP were offered full fiscal autonomy by Westminster but kicked into the long grass because it meant giving up 'Barnett'. How are these jokers so popular in Scotland?

Its exactly the same in reverse. Scotland does good = due to being part of the union. Scotland does bad = down the the SNP government. T'was ever thus.

They're popular because they do very well with what they have. Much better than Scottish Labour ever did.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Why don't you ? You know by now what powers the Scottish Govt has and doesn't have. So why don't you lay it on the line what you would do. I'll wait..

So I'll wait MSJock and see what you think Nicola should do with the powers she has given you are so adamant that the powers are there to avert this 'recession'. Am all ears too. But also bear in mind that the Scottish Govt was never designed and set up to have much or indeed any effect on the Scottish economy whatsoever.

Ha ha ha ha ha

I would spend more time on a full and appropriate response except for:

1/ You appear to have your hands full already trying (and failing miserably) to respond to the reaction to that from other posters.

2/ As is obvious from those replies of yours you will continue to obfuscate without answering the question. Just as before.

3/ It's a Friday evening and - to be perfectly frank - I CBA to respond any more than it appears Nicola can be bothered to respond to our country's increasing inadequacies.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's quite simple.
Scotland when the UK is divided up into regions is doing quite well. But compared with rUK as a whole, with London in particular skewing the averages it's 'appears' to be lagging behind the rest of the UK.

I'm not sure how relevant comparing the economic performance of Scotland with other regions of the UK is when its only Scotland that is putting itself forward for independence.
The onus is on the SNP to make the economic case for an iScotland not desperately state that in comparison with the North-East things don't look quite so bad.